Best Offers for Pick 17 in a future pick?

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Re: Best Offers for Pick 17 in a future pick? 

Post#21 » by scoobs07 » Sun Jun 15, 2025 3:02 am

shrink wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:OKC for 24 + HOU 2026 top 4 protected 1st?

Sure. The HOU pick might not amount to much, but the trade value is fine, and the cap hold from #17 to #24 drops from $4.2 to $3.1. Maybe even trade away the #24 as well.

#15 + #24 for LAL 2031 1st (unprotected).
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Re: Best Offers for Pick 17 in a future pick? 

Post#22 » by Dan Z » Sun Jun 15, 2025 4:20 am

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SkyHook wrote:Perhaps something could be worked out with the Jazz for one of the Wolves picks that they own. I'd imagine that Utah would want additional incentive to give up an unprotected pick for #17, but who knows.

It’s an interesting economic question to me.

First, I agree with you. The potential upside from an unprotected pick trumps the value of a midrange pick, even in a good draft. So MIN needs to add more.

But there are good reasons to do a deal. I mentioned the downside to MIN for keeping the pick, but meanwhile, the Jazz would be right on cue to start collecting young talent, in this draft. The years of delay of the future MIN pick devalues it for UTA, but increases it for MIN. Moreover, I have mentioned before that a team gets extra value reclaiming their own picks, because that team has some control of where the pick lands, if they are willing to tank.

Maybe MIN soups up the front end for the Jazz, by including a young prospect, or the #31. Lots of people like what Terrence Shannon Jr has shown, Connelly’s late first pick from last year. Would #17, #31 and Shannon bring back a future MIN pick, and a swap?


After thinking about it, my ideal scenario would be to restructure the Wolves picks to the Jazz as part of the deal. Agree to it before the draft but delay execution until after. Change from a swap to a pick in '26 and the opposite in '27. Add a swap to Utah in '28 and give back the '29. Gets Minnesota's obligations cleared a year sooner. How about Miller instead of Shannon?


I'm not sure why Utah would do any of those trades. They already have two picks in this draft (#5 and #21) plus a roster of young players that need time to develop (Collier, George, Hendricks, Filipowski, Kessler, and I guess I should add Cody Williams to this list too). What they need is top end talent.

Maybe they think TSJ could be that...? If so they'll need to do something about the logjam they have at the guard position. They've also been mocked to draft Tre Johnson at #5, so there's that too.
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Re: Best Offers for Pick 17 in a future pick? 

Post#23 » by pipfan » Sun Jun 15, 2025 5:21 am

Streakers33 wrote:
pipfan wrote:I want my Bulls to get Newell and Coward out of this draft

Not sure what they can offer-future top 10/7/5 protection (then 2 seconds)?

You have Portland’s lotto protected pick for 2026. Plus pick #45 this year
Maybe a second or no?

Or a lot of talk locally has us being good trade partners for some small things. Making that pick a focus would work there too


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I'd offer the Port pick in a second for the #17, and put a few 2nds in for sure but I don't think that's fair value. Bulls could absorb one of your cheap salaries as well, but not sure that helps much
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Re: Best Offers for Pick 17 in a future pick? 

Post#24 » by shrink » Sun Jun 15, 2025 6:45 am

SkyHook wrote:
shrink wrote:
SkyHook wrote:Perhaps something could be worked out with the Jazz for one of the Wolves picks that they own. I'd imagine that Utah would want additional incentive to give up an unprotected pick for #17, but who knows.

It’s an interesting economic question to me.

First, I agree with you. The potential upside from an unprotected pick trumps the value of a midrange pick, even in a good draft. So MIN needs to add more.

But there are good reasons to do a deal. I mentioned the downside to MIN for keeping the pick, but meanwhile, the Jazz would be right on cue to start collecting young talent, in this draft. The years of delay of the future MIN pick devalues it for UTA, but increases it for MIN. Moreover, I have mentioned before that a team gets extra value reclaiming their own picks, because that team has some control of where the pick lands, if they are willing to tank.

Maybe MIN soups up the front end for the Jazz, by including a young prospect, or the #31. Lots of people like what Terrence Shannon Jr has shown, Connelly’s late first pick from last year. Would #17, #31 and Shannon bring back a future MIN pick, and a swap?


After thinking about it, my ideal scenario would be to restructure the Wolves picks to the Jazz as part of the deal. Agree to it before the draft but delay execution until after. Change from a swap to a pick in '26 and the opposite in '27. Add a swap to Utah in '28 and give back the '29. Gets Minnesota's obligations cleared a year sooner. How about Miller instead of Shannon?

Well that’s fun! Sure, and I agree Leonard Miller is a better fit for UTA than Shannon too!
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Re: Best Offers for Pick 17 in a future pick? 

Post#25 » by German Athens » Sun Jun 15, 2025 1:57 pm

scoobs07 wrote:
shrink wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:OKC for 24 + HOU 2026 top 4 protected 1st?

Sure. The HOU pick might not amount to much, but the trade value is fine, and the cap hold from #17 to #24 drops from $4.2 to $3.1. Maybe even trade away the #24 as well.

#15 + #24 for LAL 2031 1st (unprotected).


Same offer from the Bucks.

#15 + #24 for unprotected ‘31 Bucks 1st

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