KD To Spurs

[Blame Rasho]

I still say depending on the finals, KD could end up in Oklahoma. If they want him, theycan get him easily.

[Blame Rasho]

Oh and the Spurs offer is fair… if another team wants to give more… more power to them. Houston is likely the team that can give the Smith, Shepherd, and picks that is a better package than the spurs would give.

[BBallFreak]

I think the thing people are forgetting in any KD trade is that this isn't happening in a vacuum. I think we all have to remember that teams like Houston and San Antonio are probably trying to save assets for Giannis or other moves, as well they should.

Durant is 37 years old and hasn't been an iron man who's led playoff teams recently. His value is limited. He's given a list of preferred destinations, which is great as it gives he, Phoenix, and his preferred 3 teams a certain amount of leverage, but none have a lot.

Durant only has so much because Phoenix can trade him anywhere they choose and, as we saw with Jimmy Butler, money talks. He'll likely sign an extension if another team offers him what he wants.

Phoenix only has so much because we know they have to trade him. That relationship is pretty clearly broken. They can't really afford to wait as they need to save some money.

The three teams he prefers have very little leverage because not only are they competing against each other but they're also competing against other teams because, and I can't stress this enough, Phoenix needs to take the best deal for them.

So, we'll see where they land. My guess is Miami caves and offers Ware, Wiggins, Robinson, and a first. I don't want that, obviously, but I think that's the deal that gets it done. I don't think San Antonio or Houston will settle for him as I think they have enough assets to acquire better...

[One_and_Done]

Spurs aren't overpaying like this.

[One_and_Done]

I think the thing people are forgetting in any KD trade is that this isn't happening in a vacuum. I think we all have to remember that teams like Houston and San Antonio are probably trying to save assets for Giannis or other moves, as well they should.

Durant is 37 years old and hasn't been an iron man who's led playoff teams recently. His value is limited. He's given a list of preferred destinations, which is great as it gives he, Phoenix, and his preferred 3 teams a certain amount of leverage, but none have a lot.

Durant only has so much because Phoenix can trade him anywhere they choose and, as we saw with Jimmy Butler, money talks. He'll likely sign an extension if another team offers him what he wants.

Phoenix only has so much because we know they have to trade him. That relationship is pretty clearly broken. They can't really afford to wait as they need to save some money.

The three teams he prefers have very little leverage because not only are they competing against each other but they're also competing against other teams because, and I can't stress this enough, Phoenix needs to take the best deal for them.

So, we'll see where they land. My guess is Miami caves and offers Ware, Wiggins, Robinson, and a first. I don't want that, obviously, but I think that's the deal that gets it done. I don't think San Antonio or Houston will settle for him as I think they have enough assets to acquire better...

Yes, because we saw with Jimmy that the player has little leverage and can be traded anywhere... oh, wait.

[Knicks365247]

I don’t think the Heat offer up Kelel Ware.

My guess is Minny has best package and KD ends up there.

[BBallFreak]

I think the thing people are forgetting in any KD trade is that this isn't happening in a vacuum. I think we all have to remember that teams like Houston and San Antonio are probably trying to save assets for Giannis or other moves, as well they should.

Durant is 37 years old and hasn't been an iron man who's led playoff teams recently. His value is limited. He's given a list of preferred destinations, which is great as it gives he, Phoenix, and his preferred 3 teams a certain amount of leverage, but none have a lot.

Durant only has so much because Phoenix can trade him anywhere they choose and, as we saw with Jimmy Butler, money talks. He'll likely sign an extension if another team offers him what he wants.

Phoenix only has so much because we know they have to trade him. That relationship is pretty clearly broken. They can't really afford to wait as they need to save some money.

The three teams he prefers have very little leverage because not only are they competing against each other but they're also competing against other teams because, and I can't stress this enough, Phoenix needs to take the best deal for them.

So, we'll see where they land. My guess is Miami caves and offers Ware, Wiggins, Robinson, and a first. I don't want that, obviously, but I think that's the deal that gets it done. I don't think San Antonio or Houston will settle for him as I think they have enough assets to acquire better...

Yes, because we saw with Jimmy that the player has little leverage and can be traded anywhere... oh, wait.

Right, my point exactly! Leverage is a myth! Everyone has a little but no one has any to speak of!

[One_and_Done]

I think the thing people are forgetting in any KD trade is that this isn't happening in a vacuum. I think we all have to remember that teams like Houston and San Antonio are probably trying to save assets for Giannis or other moves, as well they should.

Durant is 37 years old and hasn't been an iron man who's led playoff teams recently. His value is limited. He's given a list of preferred destinations, which is great as it gives he, Phoenix, and his preferred 3 teams a certain amount of leverage, but none have a lot.

Durant only has so much because Phoenix can trade him anywhere they choose and, as we saw with Jimmy Butler, money talks. He'll likely sign an extension if another team offers him what he wants.

Phoenix only has so much because we know they have to trade him. That relationship is pretty clearly broken. They can't really afford to wait as they need to save some money.

The three teams he prefers have very little leverage because not only are they competing against each other but they're also competing against other teams because, and I can't stress this enough, Phoenix needs to take the best deal for them.

So, we'll see where they land. My guess is Miami caves and offers Ware, Wiggins, Robinson, and a first. I don't want that, obviously, but I think that's the deal that gets it done. I don't think San Antonio or Houston will settle for him as I think they have enough assets to acquire better...

Yes, because we saw with Jimmy that the player has little leverage and can be traded anywhere... oh, wait.

Right, my point exactly! Leverage is a myth! Everyone has a little but no one has any to speak of!

Butler went to one of the teams he wanted, for the money he wanted. He's an example of how much leverage the player has.

[nykballa2k4]

Don’t see the Spurs doing this. I wouldn’t. Old and expensive. Durant has given only a few places he wants to go to which puts the leverage on the Spurs side of things.

I really want to see OKC swoop in and offer Hartenstein, Dort, and 3 of their FRP for Durant and drop the mic.

truthfully, Suns can open this trade up to the league and might get a better offer from someone willing to gamble. Suns PG and #3 is on the table could work out.

[BBallFreak]

Yes, because we saw with Jimmy that the player has little leverage and can be traded anywhere... oh, wait.

Right, my point exactly! Leverage is a myth! Everyone has a little but no one has any to speak of!

Butler went to one of the teams he wanted, for the money he wanted. He's an example of how much leverage the player has.

Butler wanted Phoenix and Phoenix only. In fact, he told Golden State he wouldn't extend there. He would have been traded long before has he been willing.

[One_and_Done]

Right, my point exactly! Leverage is a myth! Everyone has a little but no one has any to speak of!

Butler went to one of the teams he wanted, for the money he wanted. He's an example of how much leverage the player has.

Butler wanted Phoenix and Phoenix only. In fact, he told Golden State he wouldn't extend there. He would have been traded long before has he been willing.

And instead he 'settled' for an even better situation.

That also happened because the Beal veto made a trade to the Suns more or less impossible.

[BBallFreak]

Butler went to one of the teams he wanted, for the money he wanted. He's an example of how much leverage the player has.

Butler wanted Phoenix and Phoenix only. In fact, he told Golden State he wouldn't extend there. He would have been traded long before has he been willing.

And instead he 'settled' for an even better situation.

That also happened because the Beal veto made a trade to the Suns more or less impossible.

Yes, I'm aware, but again he didn't get to the place he wanted to go. It doesn't matter that he ended up in a better situation. Dude didn't get his way. He used his leverage to avoid going to an irrelevant franchise but he didn't get where he wanted to be. He had some leverage just like Miami didn't have to accept Beal in return because they had some leverage. That's the point. Everyone gets something they like but it's not perfect.

[One_and_Done]

Butler wanted Phoenix and Phoenix only. In fact, he told Golden State he wouldn't extend there. He would have been traded long before has he been willing.

And instead he 'settled' for an even better situation.

That also happened because the Beal veto made a trade to the Suns more or less impossible.

Yes, I'm aware, but again he didn't get to the place he wanted to go. It doesn't matter that he ended up in a better situation. Dude didn't get his way. He used his leverage to avoid going to an irrelevant franchise but he didn't get where he wanted to be. He had some leverage just like Miami didn't have to accept Beal in return because they had some leverage. That's the point. Everyone gets something they like but it's not perfect.

He didn't get what he wanted for one reason; it was impossible. It was possible to go to Disneyworld, then it blew up, so he agreed to go to Vegas instead. That's not an example of a leverage fail, that's a change in circumstances. Jimmy's Minny trade demand is closer to a real example.

[BBallFreak]

And instead he 'settled' for an even better situation.

That also happened because the Beal veto made a trade to the Suns more or less impossible.

Yes, I'm aware, but again he didn't get to the place he wanted to go. It doesn't matter that he ended up in a better situation. Dude didn't get his way. He used his leverage to avoid going to an irrelevant franchise but he didn't get where he wanted to be. He had some leverage just like Miami didn't have to accept Beal in return because they had some leverage. That's the point. Everyone gets something they like but it's not perfect.

He didn't get what he wanted for one reason; it was impossible. It was possible to go to Disneyworld, then it blew up, so he agreed to go to Vegas instead. That's not an example of a leverage fail, that's a change in circumstances. Jimmy's Minny trade demand is closer to a real example.

It was impossible because Miami refused to do the deal for Beal. What's so hard to understand about that?

[One_and_Done]

Yes, I'm aware, but again he didn't get to the place he wanted to go. It doesn't matter that he ended up in a better situation. Dude didn't get his way. He used his leverage to avoid going to an irrelevant franchise but he didn't get where he wanted to be. He had some leverage just like Miami didn't have to accept Beal in return because they had some leverage. That's the point. Everyone gets something they like but it's not perfect.

He didn't get what he wanted for one reason; it was impossible. It was possible to go to Disneyworld, then it blew up, so he agreed to go to Vegas instead. That's not an example of a leverage fail, that's a change in circumstances. Jimmy's Minny trade demand is closer to a real example.

It was impossible because Miami refused to do the deal for Beal. What's so hard to understand about that?

It was impossible because Beal refuses to agree to any trade, because he doesn't want to uproot his family.

[Knicks365247]

He didn't get what he wanted for one reason; it was impossible. It was possible to go to Disneyworld, then it blew up, so he agreed to go to Vegas instead. That's not an example of a leverage fail, that's a change in circumstances. Jimmy's Minny trade demand is closer to a real example.

It was impossible because Miami refused to do the deal for Beal. What's so hard to understand about that?

It was impossible because Beal refuses to agree to any trade, because he doesn't want to uproot his family.

If I were Beal's family, I'd be demanding a raise.