New Orleans / Boston

[hoopsfan777]

New Orleans outgoing

Dejounte Murray
#7
#23

Boston outgoing

Jrue Holiday
#28
'27 1st rd pick

New Orleans brings back Jrue who can steady the starting pg spot next season. #28 can be used to find a depth piece. BOS '27 1st could be a decent pick next year.

Boston let Murray and Tatum recover this season while adding a top 7 pick and early 20's pick to their core.

[ReggiesKnicks]

This is an interesting way to get a high pick for Jrue.

[penbeast0]

Maybe for White, Jrue probably doesn't have this value anymore.

[Euphonetiks]

Why would the Pelicans trade #7 and drop from #23 to #28 to turn Dejounte into Jrue?

Pels are not competing this year and should not trade a top 10 pick for a 35 year old on a hefty contract. That's insane.

[brackdan70]

Why would the Pelicans trade #7 and drop from #23 to #28 to turn Dejounte into Jrue?

Pels are not competing this year and should not trade a top 10 pick for a 35 year old on a hefty contract. That's insane.

There is also a 2027 unprotected pick coming thier way. But still I agree, they shouldn’t be trading away #7 and Murray for Jrue and a future pick.
The value is off.
That future pick doesn’t have a chance to be a better pick than #7.

Additionally this really doesn’t save Boston any money…but I’d say they would still jump all over this if offered.

Bottom line, Pels aren’t doing this.

[hugepatsfan]

"BOS '27 1st could be a decent pick next year."

By use of next year, did you mean to say BOS's 2026 pick instead of 2027? That makes more sense because if Murray/Tatum are rehabbing (and Brown had surgery, too) then you'd want that 2026 pick that results from that lost season.

Still think it's bad, but that makes somewhat more sense. Don't see why NO does this though.

[djFan71]

Hey, hey, let's not be so hasty everyone.... It seems like a ton, and #7 is probably realistically too much. But, I don't think it's as bad as it seems at first glance.

That Murray contract is rough. Jrue will a) play next year, b) bring some structure, experience and defense to the team, c) probably be better than Murray in 26-27 as well. So, he's clearly the better player/asset at this point. If New Orleans wants to be good next year, they don't have a ton of options for getting something as good as Jrue for Murray.

Drop 23.

DJM, 7 for Jrue, 28, 27 BOS first. That's still probably "bad" from a best asset standpoint. But for a team that wants to try to do something next year, it may be one of the few options.

It's actually kinda tough from the BOS standpoint cuz it's basically impossible to get out of the lux tax after this. Even if you send KP and Hauser for nothing, you're looking at being somewhere in the $10-15M over, which is ~$35M in tax. And you now have 2 guys that have to fully recover from Achilles injuries. So, you really, really gotta like someone at #7 to make this worth it.


Might be better for NOP to see if BKN will take DJM, 7 for Cam and 19 or something.

[BK_2020]

#7 is tempting but it might be too much uncertainties to rely on not one but two players to recover from achielles.

[nolaPELSfan]

Im not so down on Dejounte as most it seems but i obviously see why his value is down. I worry a little about him losing a step defensively post injury, but mostly i think he'll be fine. I'd rather rehab his value or just keep him if its going to be like its been looking when i've seen him traded. I'd rather trade CJ anyway assuming Murray comes back strong, and i we don't need to be keeping both imo.

[nolaPELSfan]

CJ wears #3 + # 23
for
Jrue & #32
if it rhymes
u must do

[lordjeff05]

Hey, hey, let's not be so hasty everyone.... It seems like a ton, and #7 is probably realistically too much. But, I don't think it's as bad as it seems at first glance.

That Murray contract is rough. Jrue will a) play next year, b) bring some structure, experience and defense to the team, c) probably be better than Murray in 26-27 as well. So, he's clearly the better player/asset at this point. If New Orleans wants to be good next year, they don't have a ton of options for getting something as good as Jrue for Murray.

Drop 23.

DJM, 7 for Jrue, 28, 27 BOS first. That's still probably "bad" from a best asset standpoint. But for a team that wants to try to do something next year, it may be one of the few options.

It's actually kinda tough from the BOS standpoint cuz it's basically impossible to get out of the lux tax after this. Even if you send KP and Hauser for nothing, you're looking at being somewhere in the $10-15M over, which is ~$35M in tax. And you now have 2 guys that have to fully recover from Achilles injuries. So, you really, really gotta like someone at #7 to make this worth it.


Might be better for NOP to see if BKN will take DJM, 7 for Cam and 19 or something.

No let's definitely be hasty. You want the Pelicans to trade the 7th pick for a 35 year old guard. It is as bad as it seems. I wouldn't make that trade offer for Durant. Murray's contract isn't great but the Pels can carry it and still make moves without too much issue. Im not willing to agree that a 37 year old Jrue will be better than Dejounte.

The Pelicans have all their draft capital plus the Indy pick, Milwaukee 26 and the 27 swap. They also have CJ and Olynyk expirings which at 45 million is enough to match one big player or two decent sized contracts. All of their core guys (Zion, Herb and Trey) are locked in through 27. There's no need to include Dejounte if its going to take so much draft capital.

I'd counter Jrue and Porzingis for Dejounte and CJ and the 23rd this year. But again even this doesn't set the team up super well for the future, and doesn't necessariy raise their ceiling past paybe the second round.

[djFan71]

Hey, hey, let's not be so hasty everyone.... It seems like a ton, and #7 is probably realistically too much. But, I don't think it's as bad as it seems at first glance.

That Murray contract is rough. Jrue will a) play next year, b) bring some structure, experience and defense to the team, c) probably be better than Murray in 26-27 as well. So, he's clearly the better player/asset at this point. If New Orleans wants to be good next year, they don't have a ton of options for getting something as good as Jrue for Murray.

Drop 23.

DJM, 7 for Jrue, 28, 27 BOS first. That's still probably "bad" from a best asset standpoint. But for a team that wants to try to do something next year, it may be one of the few options.

It's actually kinda tough from the BOS standpoint cuz it's basically impossible to get out of the lux tax after this. Even if you send KP and Hauser for nothing, you're looking at being somewhere in the $10-15M over, which is ~$35M in tax. And you now have 2 guys that have to fully recover from Achilles injuries. So, you really, really gotta like someone at #7 to make this worth it.


Might be better for NOP to see if BKN will take DJM, 7 for Cam and 19 or something.

No let's definitely be hasty. You want the Pelicans to trade the 7th pick for a 35 year old guard. It is as bad as it seems. I wouldn't make that trade offer for Durant. Murray's contract isn't great but the Pels can carry it and still make moves without too much issue. Im not willing to agree that a 37 year old Jrue will be better than Dejounte.

The Pelicans have all their draft capital plus the Indy pick, Milwaukee 26 and the 27 swap. They also have CJ and Olynyk expirings which at 45 million is enough to match one big player or two decent sized contracts. All of their core guys (Zion, Herb and Trey) are locked in through 27. There's no need to include Dejounte if its going to take so much draft capital.

I'd counter Jrue and Porzingis for Dejounte and CJ and the 23rd this year. But again even this doesn't set the team up super well for the future, and doesn't necessariy raise their ceiling past paybe the second round.

I want nothing, it was proposed by a Pelicans fan. Neither version is good for BOS financially. 7 makes you go, hmm, but it’s still eventually a no. Don’t think we’re good fits here.

[hoopsfan777]

Hey, hey, let's not be so hasty everyone.... It seems like a ton, and #7 is probably realistically too much. But, I don't think it's as bad as it seems at first glance.

That Murray contract is rough. Jrue will a) play next year, b) bring some structure, experience and defense to the team, c) probably be better than Murray in 26-27 as well. So, he's clearly the better player/asset at this point. If New Orleans wants to be good next year, they don't have a ton of options for getting something as good as Jrue for Murray.

Drop 23.

DJM, 7 for Jrue, 28, 27 BOS first. That's still probably "bad" from a best asset standpoint. But for a team that wants to try to do something next year, it may be one of the few options.

It's actually kinda tough from the BOS standpoint cuz it's basically impossible to get out of the lux tax after this. Even if you send KP and Hauser for nothing, you're looking at being somewhere in the $10-15M over, which is ~$35M in tax. And you now have 2 guys that have to fully recover from Achilles injuries. So, you really, really gotta like someone at #7 to make this worth it.


Might be better for NOP to see if BKN will take DJM, 7 for Cam and 19 or something.

No let's definitely be hasty. You want the Pelicans to trade the 7th pick for a 35 year old guard. It is as bad as it seems. I wouldn't make that trade offer for Durant. Murray's contract isn't great but the Pels can carry it and still make moves without too much issue. Im not willing to agree that a 37 year old Jrue will be better than Dejounte.

The Pelicans have all their draft capital plus the Indy pick, Milwaukee 26 and the 27 swap. They also have CJ and Olynyk expirings which at 45 million is enough to match one big player or two decent sized contracts. All of their core guys (Zion, Herb and Trey) are locked in through 27. There's no need to include Dejounte if its going to take so much draft capital.

I'd counter Jrue and Porzingis for Dejounte and CJ and the 23rd this year. But again even this doesn't set the team up super well for the future, and doesn't necessariy raise their ceiling past paybe the second round.

I like Porzingus and Jrue for Murray, CJM and #23.

[djFan71]

Hey, hey, let's not be so hasty everyone.... It seems like a ton, and #7 is probably realistically too much. But, I don't think it's as bad as it seems at first glance.

That Murray contract is rough. Jrue will a) play next year, b) bring some structure, experience and defense to the team, c) probably be better than Murray in 26-27 as well. So, he's clearly the better player/asset at this point. If New Orleans wants to be good next year, they don't have a ton of options for getting something as good as Jrue for Murray.

Drop 23.

DJM, 7 for Jrue, 28, 27 BOS first. That's still probably "bad" from a best asset standpoint. But for a team that wants to try to do something next year, it may be one of the few options.

It's actually kinda tough from the BOS standpoint cuz it's basically impossible to get out of the lux tax after this. Even if you send KP and Hauser for nothing, you're looking at being somewhere in the $10-15M over, which is ~$35M in tax. And you now have 2 guys that have to fully recover from Achilles injuries. So, you really, really gotta like someone at #7 to make this worth it.


Might be better for NOP to see if BKN will take DJM, 7 for Cam and 19 or something.

No let's definitely be hasty. You want the Pelicans to trade the 7th pick for a 35 year old guard. It is as bad as it seems. I wouldn't make that trade offer for Durant. Murray's contract isn't great but the Pels can carry it and still make moves without too much issue. Im not willing to agree that a 37 year old Jrue will be better than Dejounte.

The Pelicans have all their draft capital plus the Indy pick, Milwaukee 26 and the 27 swap. They also have CJ and Olynyk expirings which at 45 million is enough to match one big player or two decent sized contracts. All of their core guys (Zion, Herb and Trey) are locked in through 27. There's no need to include Dejounte if its going to take so much draft capital.

I'd counter Jrue and Porzingis for Dejounte and CJ and the 23rd this year. But again even this doesn't set the team up super well for the future, and doesn't necessariy raise their ceiling past paybe the second round.

I like Porzingus and Jrue for Murray, CJM and #23.

Even though the math technically works, it's basically impossible for BOS financially. We save no money here and add the guaranteed contract of pick 23, while getting one more player that can't play next year while still paying $500M for the roster. We'd just keep Jrue and KP over this and be better on court at least.

[Djh7475]

As a fan of both teams, I don’t like it for either.

Celtics give up an unprotected 1st that could be extremely valuable considering how much money we’d have tied up in 2 guys recovering from Achilles injuries with Dejounte being a terrible fit even if he returns to form. Then paying #7 doesn’t save Boston any money and somehow puts them in even worse financial shape. Jrue has plenty of suitors better suited to help out books.

For Nola, giving up #7 for a 34 year old when their key pieces are 24 and under doesn’t make a ton of sense. The 2027 pick from Boston could theoretically return a high pick, but I can’t see Boston giving up that pick without better protections.

[longfellow44]

Why would the Pelicans trade #7 and drop from #23 to #28 to turn Dejounte into Jrue?

Pels are not competing this year and should not trade a top 10 pick for a 35 year old on a hefty contract. That's insane.

this is a truly insane valuation of Jrue.

Jrue wasn't worth that much in his prime on a decent contract let alone after he has started to decline due to age and is on a bloated contract.

Jrue might not even be positive value with that contract.

[donato]

That would be horrible for the Pelicans.