Boston/ San Antonio

[giberish]

I'd expect Boston to look to keep White/Brown/Tatum. Probably Pritchard as a replacement starting guard. Fill in at center somehow, and some stop-gap PF. Moving Holiday and Porzingis for salary relief.

There's a chance that they move Brown (either in addition to those two or instead of one) but I think that only happens if some team makes a clear overpay - like something half-way between this filler based deal and a Giannis offer.

[pipfan]

Let me try, to set Boston up next summer for another run (maybe)

Do 2 deals
KP to Bulls
Ayo to BRK
Vuc/#36 to Bos
Bos saves $10 million and gets a solid vet center who plays nightly
BRK gets a solid guy to start next to Cam Thomas
Chi rolls the dice on KP, and still has Collins/JSmith to play C when he needs to sit.

JBrown to Spurs
Sochan to BRK
Vassell/Barnes/#14/#19 from BRK/ATL 2027 pick/Boston pick back plus the 2030 pick (not sure with all the teams involved)
Bos saves A TON more $ and tries to make the playoffs with Holiday/White/Vassell/Pritchard/Barnes/Vuc and rookies (could try to deal Holiday too)
BRK adds a solid young guy at a position of need
Spurs go with
Fox/Harper
Castle/Harper
Brown/KJ
vet MLE
Wemby/?

[brackdan70]

I'd expect Boston to look to keep White/Brown/Tatum. Probably Pritchard as a replacement starting guard. Fill in at center somehow, and some stop-gap PF. Moving Holiday and Porzingis for salary relief.

There's a chance that they move Brown (either in addition to those two or instead of one) but I think that only happens if some team makes a clear overpay - like something half-way between this filler based deal and a Giannis offer.

Yep this is the logical path. Cs are looking to shed some salary obviously but they are not going to close their window of competitiveness.
All they really need to do is move Jrue for players that make about 15 million less/ year.
Or Hauser in a teams cap space or exception.
Moving KP is about reducing tax burden this year and is something they will look at if it makes sense.
I don’t see them moving Brown, White, Pritchard or Tatum obviously.

[brackdan70]

Let me try, to set Boston up next summer for another run (maybe)

Do 2 deals
KP to Bulls
Ayo to BRK
Vuc/#36 to Bos
Bos saves $10 million and gets a solid vet center who plays nightly
BRK gets a solid guy to start next to Cam Thomas
Chi rolls the dice on KP, and still has Collins/JSmith to play C when he needs to sit.

JBrown to Spurs
Sochan to BRK
Vassell/Barnes/#14/#19 from BRK/ATL 2027 pick/Boston pick back plus the 2030 pick (not sure with all the teams involved)
Bos saves A TON more $ and tries to make the playoffs with Holiday/White/Vassell/Pritchard/Barnes/Vuc and rookies (could try to deal Holiday too)
BRK adds a solid young guy at a position of need
Spurs go with
Fox/Harper
Castle/Harper
Brown/KJ
vet MLE
Wemby/?

This is a more realistic return I think. Well done.
I’d still be shocked if Brown is traded.

[redslastlaugh]

As far as Sam and #28 going out, I was thinking about the last deal Boston did (Zarren was here for that one) which was Celtics acquring the star in exchange for a high pick.

That 2007 trade was
Celtics trade Wally Szrbiak, Delonte West, #5 pick, 2008 2nd
Sonics trade Ray Allen and #35 pick

Seattle moved up to #5 and sent us their second (#35, Big Baby was the pick) back in the deal. Leaving aside Sam Hauser, if Brad acquired 2 + 14 in a Jaylen Brown deal, I'd consider it that #28 or even #28 + #32 would go back to SA.

Maybe in the deal I imagined, another 1st like the Atlanta 2027 would come back to Boston. I think getting the certainty of getting #2 pick (not far out unprotecteds that could yield #30 in 4 yrs, you KNOW it's #2 in a week) is gonna be a case of quality over quantity though.

This is just irredeemably bad for Boston. I mean unless you're really high on Vassell but even then it's just so bad to include Hauser and #28 going back to the Spurs as well.

It really is #2 or bust. The Spurs have enough picks to make a compelling package not including #2 or Castle, but if you're Stevens and you're making this monumental of a move you need some level of certainty on the quality you're getting back.

[redslastlaugh]

I'd expect Boston to look to keep White/Brown/Tatum. Probably Pritchard as a replacement starting guard. Fill in at center somehow, and some stop-gap PF. Moving Holiday and Porzingis for salary relief.

There's a chance that they move Brown (either in addition to those two or instead of one) but I think that only happens if some team makes a clear overpay - like something half-way between this filler based deal and a Giannis offer.

I think most likely this is the path.
I wouldn't be too shocked though if White goes out (the budget has to come down somehow) since we aren't privvy to the market offers for Porzinger or Holiday.
But I doubt Jaylen Brown is moved. Aside from the money, he wasn't healthy at the end of the year, and just had a meniscus surgery -- it's just not the right time to trade him for value. So i doubt it happens.

And as a Celtics fan, I would just prefer to keep Jaylen. General NBA fans look at his shooting splits and turnovers and undervalue how important a player Brown actually is.

[Djh7475]

If the Spurs want Jaylen, #2 or Castle will have to be on the table. I could see Stevens trading him for the right price, but a deal that doesn’t land one premier asset for the reining ECF and Finals MVP isn’t that price.

The only player on the Spurs roster the Celtics would want besides Wemby would be Castle, so the players involved will be a negative in most cases. Fox, Castle, JB, and Wemby is a crazy core 4 though. A follow up deal with some of their remaining assets for a 3 and D PF would certainly make them contenders.

[Knicks365247]

If the Spurs want Jaylen, #2 or Castle will have to be on the table. I could see Stevens trading him for the right price, but a deal that doesn’t land one premier asset for the reining ECF and Finals MVP isn’t that price.

The only player on the Spurs roster the Celtics would want besides Wemby would be Castle, so the players involved will be a negative in most cases. Fox, Castle, JB, and Wemby is a crazy core 4 though. A follow up deal with some of their remaining assets for a 3 and D PF would certainly make them contenders.

I really think this is going to happen.

Harper is good but Brown fits your timeline Spurs and Wemby would love to play with him!

[TGW]

I sure as hell wouldn’t trade #2 for Brown. He is overrated and overpaid.

[brackdan70]

I sure as hell wouldn’t trade #2 for Brown. He is overrated and overpaid.

Well that’s really sound analysis. Thanks for the input.

[Djh7475]

I sure as hell wouldn’t trade #2 for Brown. He is overrated and overpaid.

That seems to be the consensus among a majority of Spurs fans which is fine, but the reigning ECF and Finals MVP isn’t overrated. Him outplaying Luka in the finals last year is the reason the Celtics won. He may be a bit overpaid, but the back end of his deal won’t seem like it as bad once more contracts reflect the rising salary cap.

This year, he played through a knee injury and it was obvious as he didn’t even look the same the last 3 or so months of the season. He’s got more postseason/deep postseason experience than anyone near his age, and he’s a great locker room guy and loved in the community.

On the other hand, Harper couldn’t even lead Rutgers to a winning record with another probable top 3-5 draft pick and won 1/8 games against ranked opponents. He’s going to be a sieve defensively for a while, and he won’t contribute to winning until Wemby is on a supermax. I really like Harper long term, but he’s not in the same category as Flagg.

So I get Spurs fans not wanting to trade #2 for Brown if they’re sold on Harper, but I think NBA fans in general would like to see it happen just to see Wemby immediately playing for a contender.

[wemby]

I sure as hell wouldn’t trade #2 for Brown. He is overrated and overpaid.

Well that’s really sound analysis. Thanks for the input.

He's the 6th highest paid player in the NBA. Is he the 6th best player? If you say no, he's overpaid. If you say yes, you're overrating him. That doesn't mean he isn't a good player, he is, but there's a reason you see Celtics fans proposing Jaylen Brown trades more so than fans of other teams.

[brackdan70]

I sure as hell wouldn’t trade #2 for Brown. He is overrated and overpaid.

Well that’s really sound analysis. Thanks for the input.

He's the 6th highest paid player in the NBA. Is he the 6th best player? If you say no, he's overpaid. If you say yes, you're overrating him. That doesn't mean he isn't a good player, he is, but there's a reason you see Celtics fans proposing Jaylen Brown trades more so than fans of other teams.

Yeah I agree that Browns contract is a bit high for his regular season production. Few would argue. And I also agree that the Spurs probably should not and are unlikely to trade the 2nd pick for any one other than Giannis.
As for Browns contract he is in a three way tie for 11th highest paid for 2025/26…and he is likely to move lower in future years as other players sign max deals as the cap goes up.
He probably isn’t a top 15 player, but he’s not that that far off.
The Ringer ranked him 30th in trade value. This board ranked him 25th.
To just state he is overpaid and overrated is kind of lazy hyperbole. That’s the post I was responding to.
Both may be true but there is a lot of context to consider. His contract is not as bad as one might think on the surface. The dude did win an ECF MVP and Finals MVP last year.