Help Sixers move up to #2

[Chinook]

These prices are absurd. Sixers will not give up either Maxey or McCain.

It’s very likely one or both of them are better NBA players than Harper since they are both excellent shooters and Harper is not.

#3 plus LAC 28 1st is the final offer. Take it, or leave it and form the BRICK BROTHERS to surround Wemby instead. He won’t be able to set foot into that packed paint and will have to hang out at the 3PT line all game.

The Sixers don't agree with you. The Spurs don't want to trade the pick. But if Philly's FO tried to pull this nonsense, they'd just end up hurting their working relationship with SA's FO. You don't call a team and offer them an ultimatum and then try to be sour when they decline.

[zimpy27]

Pretty bold for you to argue the Spurs should give up two lotto picks for 3 and a guy who'd be in the running to be a sixth man.

Will Harper or Castle be 6th man?

Spurs are comfortable enough to, reportedly, turn down offers consisting in multiple FRPs, and others consisting in "surprising names" to move back to 3 and 6 respectively. If the Spurs are comfortable with it, why should they take a deal they feel is bad? To appease some random internet poster who thinks otherwise?

You do realise that you are believing random internet posters that the Spurs are comfortable with it?

[zaz102]

People don't realize that Castle and Risacher had stretches to close the year better than McCain's stretch. There's no guarantee at all that he'd've been rookie of the year

Yeah sure, if by “no guarantee” you mean only a 90% chance. McCain was running away with it.

The point is that it's not a 25-game award. It's for a whole season, and McCain even if he'd stayed the same, wasn't the best rookie last year. Ignoring how much he initially benefitted from the Sixers' injury woes also doesn't help. So no, I think believing there was that much of a chance is actually just ignoring the rest of the field.

I agree with a lot of what you said except that he wasn't the best rookie even if he kept up his pace. He was by far the leader on betting odds of winning RoY when he went down with his injury. He was averaging 19.1 ppg, 37.7% from 3 on 7.6 3PA and shooting 45.1% from the field. Most of the guys thay put these numbers up for a whole season are or have been all-stars.

To say that you don't think he could've kept it up is understandable, but give a little respect now lol.

[One_and_Done]

These prices are absurd. Sixers will not give up either Maxey or McCain.

It’s very likely one or both of them are better NBA players than Harper since they are both excellent shooters and Harper is not.

#3 plus LAC 28 1st is the final offer. Take it, or leave it and form the BRICK BROTHERS to surround Wemby instead. He won’t be able to set foot into that packed paint and will have to hang out at the 3PT line all game.

Spurs will pass then.

[Darren]

I think it takes 3rd pick with 2 unprotected 1st. I don't think 0hilly.will do it, though.

[One_and_Done]

I think it takes 3rd pick with 2 unprotected 1st. I don't think 0hilly.will do it, though.

Spurs wouldn't do that either.

[Foshan]

From a Philly perspective, I can't bring my self to pay to move up for a guy who doesn't have a natural/positive shot. We've spun the "all the athletic gifts but cannot shoot' wheel of fortune twice now, and lost horribly both times.

If you wouldn't take a player like Harper who shot 33% (50/150) from 3 in college because "he cannot shoot", you sure as hell wouldn't have taken another player who shot 29.2% (33/113), right? Can you take a guess who that second player is?
Hint: it starts with "Max" and ends with "ey". That damn non shooting mf'er.

I think you and I(along with 20 other teams) would agree that Maxey was not worth 'top-3' pick in his pre/drafted condition. That he is achieving/exceeding his projected ceiling now is part of the reason draft arguments span so many pages in so many threads.

The Fultz/Simmons draft fails, in my opinion, would scare me off from moving up for a guy in this range/at this cost, given our historically poor record of making that decision in the past.

This is not me wanting Harper to fail, or thinking it impossible that he improves his shot, it's just not the play I want us to make.

[DrModesty]

McCain is not yet a proven quantity to me. We saw that he is good enough to play in the NBA, but I tend to find his archetype a bit dubious and common. There are quite a few scoring first guards that can put up 20 if given real burn to do so. Will he be able to deal with being repeatedly targeted on defense? Will he be able to create for others at a high level?

You tend to need to be a very strong player to be a starter with his style. If not, I expect most teams would prefer to pair their main guard ball handler with a strong defensive presence or well rounded generalist to alleviate pressure. OKC and Indiana both treat the SG position like this. Denver, NYK and Boston too for that matter. The strong recent teams that don't have had the likes of Mitchell, Kyrie and Ant Edwards at SG. That is a very high bar. Is McCain likely to be better than what we saw from Herro this year? That is the level that he'd have to be consistently to not have a team looking to upgrade/bench him. Even then, I am not so sure Miami are thrilled to have Herro as a heavy investment building block.

All of that is to say that McCain + 3 isn't getting you 2 if I am the Spurs gm.

[youngcrev]

I don't think they need help.

If the Spurs are as enamored with Harper as a lot of us are, they're not trading the pick.

If they they don't love him and the fit, and have similar grades on someone like Kon or VJ, a deal starts with #3 and the LAC pick, with maybe some room to haggle for more (swap of some sort?).

I imagine we're looking at pure pick compensation and no McCain.

[Jojothewhale]

I don't think they need help.

If the Spurs are as enamored with Harper as a lot of us are, they're not trading the pick.

If they they don't love him and the fit, and have similar grades on someone like Kon or VJ, a deal starts with #3 and the LAC pick, with maybe some room to haggle for more (swap of some sort?).

I imagine we're looking at pure pick compensation and no McCain.

This. It’s like 98%+ the Spurs just make the pick at 2.

Trill said he heard the Sixers’ offer was 3 + ‘28 Clippers 1st unprotected + 35. That sounds exactly like a Morey “If you’re not in love with the guy” line of play. The Spurs probably are and everyone moves on with their lives except those of us who think that every rumor during smoke screen season is predictive. Yeah, he talked to San Antonio and Utah. I’m sure he made every call under the sun, including Dallas. It’s Daryl Morey. They probably just take VJ at 3 like most of us thought on lottery day.

[doogie_hauser]

I don't think this potential trade helps either team tbh

Sixers are still desperate to get rid of Paul George and his contract

[zaz102]

I don't think this potential trade helps either team tbh

Sixers are still desperate to get rid of Paul George and his contract

No they aren't lol. Unless they are upgrading, I promise you Morey doesn't not just want to dump PG.

[HotelVitale]

These prices are absurd. Sixers will not give up either Maxey or McCain.

It’s very likely one or both of them are better NBA players than Harper since they are both excellent shooters and Harper is not.

#3 plus LAC 28 1st is the final offer. Take it, or leave it and form the BRICK BROTHERS to surround Wemby instead. He won’t be able to set foot into that packed paint and will have to hang out at the 3PT line all game.

The Sixers don't agree with you. The Spurs don't want to trade the pick. But if Philly's FO tried to pull this nonsense, they'd just end up hurting their working relationship with SA's FO. You don't call a team and offer them an ultimatum and then try to be sour when they decline.

What are we even arguing about here lol. Daryl Morey isn't going to call them up and say 'take this deal or you're gonna be ishing out bricks for a DECADE you stupid mf'ers.' Other dude obviously wasn't suggesting that.

You're right about the leverage though. Sixers don't want to pay anything crazy and Spurs don't need to tried the pick for anything short of that.

[HotelVitale]

I don't think this potential trade helps either team tbh

Sixers are still desperate to get rid of Paul George and his contract

No they aren't lol. Unless they are upgrading, I promise you Morey doesn't not just want to dump PG.

Yeah was just asking myself wtf this idea would've come from. Trading PG now doesn't really help the Sixers at all, the timing makes no sense and it would run against everything Morey tries to do as far as leverage and asset valuing. Not saying the Sixers wouldn't do it if an opportunity came but no one around the Sixers thinks that's a priority this offseason.