Conditional Bulls/Mavs trade

[Texas Chuck]

Egor Demin needs to still be on the board at 12, consensus mock at him at 14 so I'm going to say this is at least possible while understand a consensus tells me nothing about how each team views him.

Klay Thompson
Derrick Lively

for

Williams
#12 (used to select Demin)

Bulls always want to be competitive and so they get two guys who help more than the guy they give up. Lively also gives them future value with 2 rookie years left. Clear out the last two years of Williams deal.

Mavs extend Gafford, knowing that to get the most out of AD/Flagg those guys need to play a lot of 5/4 respectively, and pick up a pretty intriguing rookie playmaker whose size will allow him to play with Kyrie. And with Williams joining Marshall and Martin as backup caliber forwards, the team's next move is PJ Washington for a playmaker to tide them over to Demin.

[TGW]

I highly doubt the Mavs trade Lively. He's too young and too good to trade him this early in his career.

[Darren]

Easily, hell no for the Mavs. A Wenby and Chet stopper is needed for all playoff teams.

[gswhoops]

Surprised to see this coming from a Mavs fan tbh, I'd have Lively > #12 and Klay > Williams. I'm not a Demin believer though.

[daoneandonly]

Surprised to see this coming from a Mavs fan tbh, I'd have Lively > #12 and Klay > Williams. I'm not a Demin believer though.

Yea shocked a Mavs fan would propsoe this as well. I know Lively's health ahs been frustrating, but P WIll sucks and Egor is way more likely to bust to excel

[ChettheJet]

I doubt the Bulls think they become THAT competitive, for one year or down the road

Yes Lively has potential, right now the Bulls best move would be the start Smith at the 4, they've still got Vucevic and Collins at the 5 when does Lively get in until they trade Vuevic? So you know that leaves only Julian Phillips resembling a backup PF, and the #12 pick just left the city.

Yes Klay can shoot, have you heard the rumors that Giddey and White aren't strong defenders, so you want to throw a 35 year old Klay in the mix. That doubles down the problem because you send an excellent defender in Ball and Huerter is pretty good to the bench and both are considerably younger and cheaper than Klay.

If DAL fans don't like they're in agreement with the Bulls fans

[Texas Chuck]

I'd have Lively > #12

After his rookie year, so would I. And I'd not be looking to trade him for whatever his value was. Last year though he took no steps forward and missed a lot of games. And another cheap year rolled off.

He has that playoff run as proof of concept. Not like Mark Williams or Walker Kessler. But I think both of those players get badly overvalued. I don't want to make the same mistake with Lively.

If he's worth more, sweet. I'm just not convinced of it atm.

[Mamba4Goat]

I think it’d have to be Kasparas Jakucionis falling for me to trade Lively if I was the Mavs. He’s a much more complete player/sure thing and still has the size to play the 2.

If the Mavs think that they could redeem Williams and love someone at 12, there could be some merit to this though. They could also find a way to get a much more affordable 1st (maybe in a Gafford or Washington trade?) and take someone like Walter Clayton.

[pipfan]

I think the deal is #12 for Lively-that's it

[vxmike]

Patrick Williams is one of the worst contracts in the league. Why would Dallas consider this?

[djFan71]

I'd have Lively > #12

After his rookie year, so would I. And I'd not be looking to trade him for whatever his value was. Last year though he took no steps forward and missed a lot of games. And another cheap year rolled off.

He has that playoff run as proof of concept. Not like Mark Williams or Walker Kessler. But I think both of those players get badly overvalued. I don't want to make the same mistake with Lively.

If he's worth more, sweet. I'm just not convinced of it atm.

What do you think you can resign Gafford for? If you can extend now, and he's still in cheap-ish range going forward, I don't mind this line of thinking to use Lively to get a better asset than Gaff would bring back. Something above full MLE, but no more than $20M/yr?

[Chi town]

12 is better than Lively due to last season’s regression and contract length.

[Dez]

12 is better than Lively due to last season’s regression and contract length.

I'd prefer Lively and this is false.