UTA/PHX

[jredsaz]

Utah out: Collins, Sexton, George, and #21
Utah in: Beal and #10

Phoenix out: Beal and #21
Phoenix in: Collins, Sexton, George, and #21

Why for Utah: Get another lotto pick

Why for Phoenix: Clean their books for next season

Why for Beal: Utah buys him out

Beal+10
for
Lauri

This looks right

Not in a million years lol

One more time, if 10+5 plus whatever Sexton/Collins can bring gets the Jazz to #2, is it worth it?

[babyjax13]

I think the only way this works is that adding 10+5+assets gets Utah #2. Also, Filipowski instead of George. Probably need Sexton and/or Collins going to other teams for value for the Jazz.

I don't see a chance we include Filipowski or 21. I don't really think we'd include George, either. $50 million off the books next season + actual rotation players has to be worth 10, IMO, and Sexton could go to a third team for a center.

Again, it’s all based on the Jazz wanting to move up to #2. If this trade doesn’t get them there or they don’t value #2 it doesn’t make sense

I would have to see the 3 team deal, then, to weigh in. Filipowki of included should not be going to Phoenix.

[jredsaz]

All good. I’m not trying to be rude or whatever. But just imagine writing a check for $120,000,000 for the 10th pick of a draft? Yeah…not happening.

Go back few years ago, OKC ate washed Kemba Walkers last 2 years amd gave back useful Horford for pick #16 (later traded to HOU and became Sengun), it's not unprecedented.

Kemba gave up over 27% of the balance of his contract. Is Beal giving up $30MM?

It’s all about what he gets on the market. I honestly believe if he can break even or better and go to a place he wants to be Beal is gone.

[babyjax13]

Beal+10
for
Lauri

This looks right

Not in a million years lol

One more time, if 10+5 plus whatever Sexton/Collins can bring gets the Jazz to #2, is it worth it?

Beal and 10 is not worth Lauri.

[babyjax13]

The other thing re a Spurs inclusion, I do not see why they want 5 and 10 for 2 when they already have 14.

[jredsaz]

Not in a million years lol

One more time, if 10+5 plus whatever Sexton/Collins can bring gets the Jazz to #2, is it worth it?

Beal and 10 is not worth Lauri.

Would this plus be worth Dylan Harper? From an outsider perspective I think the thing the Jazz need most is a guy to build around. Lauri hasn’t been that. Jazz have all kinds of draft capital going forward. I feel like if I’m in their position I might over pay now to get my guy. Otherwise, it’s just treading water

[babyjax13]

One more time, if 10+5 plus whatever Sexton/Collins can bring gets the Jazz to #2, is it worth it?

Beal and 10 is not worth Lauri.

Would this plus be worth Dylan Harper? From an outsider perspective I think the thing the Jazz need most is a guy to build around. Lauri hasn’t been that. Jazz have all kinds of draft capital going forward. I feel like if I’m in their position I might over pay now to get my guy. Otherwise, it’s just treading water

I just do not understand what a Beal/10 for Lauri swap has to do with San Antonio. They will not want to do 5/10 for 2. They'd be more likely, IMO, to be interested in 5/Lauri/(maybe a future 1st) for 2/Johnson/Barnes. We also do not exist to hemorrhage value to Phoenix.

[jredsaz]

Beal and 10 is not worth Lauri.

Would this plus be worth Dylan Harper? From an outsider perspective I think the thing the Jazz need most is a guy to build around. Lauri hasn’t been that. Jazz have all kinds of draft capital going forward. I feel like if I’m in their position I might over pay now to get my guy. Otherwise, it’s just treading water

I just do not understand what a Beal/10 for Lauri swap has to do with San Antonio. They will not want to do 5/10 for 2. They'd be more likely, IMO, to be interested in 5/Lauri/(maybe a future 1st) for 2/Johnson/Barnes. We also do not exist to hemorrhage value to Phoenix.

The way the Spurs are operating, who knows?

[babyjax13]

Would this plus be worth Dylan Harper? From an outsider perspective I think the thing the Jazz need most is a guy to build around. Lauri hasn’t been that. Jazz have all kinds of draft capital going forward. I feel like if I’m in their position I might over pay now to get my guy. Otherwise, it’s just treading water

I just do not understand what a Beal/10 for Lauri swap has to do with San Antonio. They will not want to do 5/10 for 2. They'd be more likely, IMO, to be interested in 5/Lauri/(maybe a future 1st) for 2/Johnson/Barnes. We also do not exist to hemorrhage value to Phoenix.

The way the Spurs are operating, who knows?

Assuming they are, Phoenix needs to send some pretty significant value here. I think Lauri is worth 10 + expiring filler, maybe a bit more. So I think Phoenix would- at minimum - need to send back the picks Utah traded them for that 31 1st.

[jredsaz]

I just do not understand what a Beal/10 for Lauri swap has to do with San Antonio. They will not want to do 5/10 for 2. They'd be more likely, IMO, to be interested in 5/Lauri/(maybe a future 1st) for 2/Johnson/Barnes. We also do not exist to hemorrhage value to Phoenix.

The way the Spurs are operating, who knows?

Assuming they are, Phoenix needs to send some pretty significant value here. I think Lauri is worth 10 + expiring filler, maybe a bit more. So I think Phoenix would- at minimum - need to send back the picks Utah traded them for that 31 1st.

Totally fair.

[zimpy27]

I just do not understand what a Beal/10 for Lauri swap has to do with San Antonio. They will not want to do 5/10 for 2. They'd be more likely, IMO, to be interested in 5/Lauri/(maybe a future 1st) for 2/Johnson/Barnes. We also do not exist to hemorrhage value to Phoenix.

The way the Spurs are operating, who knows?

Assuming they are, Phoenix needs to send some pretty significant value here. I think Lauri is worth 10 + expiring filler, maybe a bit more. So I think Phoenix would- at minimum - need to send back the picks Utah traded them for that 31 1st.

Wouldn't taking pick 10 away from the Suns be more protective of the Suns31FRP from Jazz perspective than giving Lauri?


Pick 10 is like the best pick Suns probably see while keeping Booker. Pick 10 will be in their 6th year (prime) for the Suns31FRP, Lauri will be 34 and probably not very good.

[babyjax13]

The way the Spurs are operating, who knows?

Assuming they are, Phoenix needs to send some pretty significant value here. I think Lauri is worth 10 + expiring filler, maybe a bit more. So I think Phoenix would- at minimum - need to send back the picks Utah traded them for that 31 1st.

Wouldn't taking pick 10 away from the Suns be more protective of the Suns31FRP from Jazz perspective than giving Lauri?


Pick 10 is like the best pick Suns probably see while keeping Booker. Pick 10 will be in their 6th year (prime) for the Suns31FRP, Lauri will be 34 and probably not very good.

I think the way Lauri plays he will still be good at 34. But regardless, anything could happen between now and six years from now, we shouldn't take literally the worst contract in the league and probably one of the 10 worst in NBA history + the 10th pick for Lauri who had two seasons as a top 30 player. I understand his value has fallen, that people have concerns, etc. etc., but this valuation is so bad, there is just no way. Honestly, I would have to find a new team if we were that stupid - the whole Ryan Smith-Danny Ainge experience has sucked, but that would be too much.

[thamadkant]

I think the Suns do counter offer with Jalen Green + 10th pick for Walker Kessler + Colin Sexton. The Suns need a starting level center and Bradley Beal is not going to approve a trade to the Jazz.

No they won't. suns are im asset accimulatoon mode.

Allen and O'Neil are next out for young players or picks.

[jredsaz]

Assuming they are, Phoenix needs to send some pretty significant value here. I think Lauri is worth 10 + expiring filler, maybe a bit more. So I think Phoenix would- at minimum - need to send back the picks Utah traded them for that 31 1st.

Wouldn't taking pick 10 away from the Suns be more protective of the Suns31FRP from Jazz perspective than giving Lauri?


Pick 10 is like the best pick Suns probably see while keeping Booker. Pick 10 will be in their 6th year (prime) for the Suns31FRP, Lauri will be 34 and probably not very good.

I think the way Lauri plays he will still be good at 34. But regardless, anything could happen between now and six years from now, we shouldn't take literally the worst contract in the league and probably one of the 10 worst in NBA history + the 10th pick for Lauri who had two seasons as a top 30 player. I understand his value has fallen, that people have concerns, etc. etc., but this valuation is so bad, there is just no way. Honestly, I would have to find a new team if we were that stupid - the whole Ryan Smith-Danny Ainge experience has sucked, but that would be too much.

I have zero issue taking on large short term bad money if it gets me a fof.

[SkyHook]

Beal+10
for
Lauri

This looks right

Not in a million years lol

One more time, if 10+5 plus whatever Sexton/Collins can bring gets the Jazz to #2, is it worth it?

No.

I've shared this a number of times...

Had the Jazz been slotted at the 2nd pick, I fully expected them to trade it. I just don't see Harper in Utah ending well. Better to have a player who truly wants to be there.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10145689-ron-harper-says-a-trade-would-happen-if-jazz-took-his-son-dylan-in-2025-nba-draft

Now I hear that Ron kind of halfheartedly walked that back, but I have no desire to drink from a poisoned well. I certainly don't want to mortgage other assets for the privilege.