Suns/Wizards

mlloyd10 · Post #1 » by **mlloyd10** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 6:44 pm

The Suns clearly dont want Green ( even though its not coming out that they want to play him next to Booker) and have about 47 SG's

Suns get: Poole/#6
Wizards get: Green

Why Suns: Get a high lottery pick ( Ace Bailey? )
Why Wizards: Get a player that just put up 20/5

NBAhipster24 · Post #2 » by **NBAhipster24** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 6:52 pm

Poole is better than Green, no way they add 6 too

Post #3 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 6:53 pm

Green is not worth anything close to this.

giberish · Post #4 » by **giberish** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 6:53 pm

Poole can put up nice counting stats just as much as Green.

Post #5 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 6:55 pm

NBAhipster24 wrote:Poole is better than Green, no way they add 6 too

I'm not sure that's true, but even if it is, he's not better enough to justify the extra salary. Now the Wizards have no business attaching No. 6 to turn Poole into Green, but this trade kind of sucks for both teams.

Post #6 » by **gswhoops** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 6:57 pm

mlloyd10 wrote:The Suns clearly dont want Green ( even though its not coming out that they want to play him next to Booker) and have about 47 SG's

Suns get: Poole/#6
Wizards get: Green

Why Suns: Get a high lottery pick ( Ace Bailey? )
Why Wizards: Get a player that just put up 20/5

So did Poole lmao.

This is debatable if you take the #6 pick out. Otherwise it's just catastrophically bad for Washington.

Post #7 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 6:58 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
NBAhipster24 wrote:Poole is better than Green, no way they add 6 too

I'm not sure that's true, but even if it is, he's not better enough to justify the extra salary. Now the Wizards have no business attaching No. 6 to turn Poole into Green, but this trade kind of sucks for both teams.

It doesn't remotely suck for Phoenix who would pull the trigger immediately if given the chance.

ReggiesKnicks · Post #8 » by **ReggiesKnicks** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 7:00 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
NBAhipster24 wrote:Poole is better than Green, no way they add 6 too

I'm not sure that's true, but even if it is, he's not better enough to justify the extra salary. Now the Wizards have no business attaching No. 6 to turn Poole into Green, but this trade kind of sucks for both teams.

This trade is amazing for Phoenix. So much so that if it was offered, I would instantly have a mini-reset around Booker/#6/#10

Post #9 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 7:02 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
NBAhipster24 wrote:Poole is better than Green, no way they add 6 too

I'm not sure that's true, but even if it is, he's not better enough to justify the extra salary. Now the Wizards have no business attaching No. 6 to turn Poole into Green, but this trade kind of sucks for both teams.

It doesn't remotely suck for Phoenix who would pull the trigger immediately if given the chance.

Except for the fact they'd have like 110% of the cap devoted to SGs (two of whom no other team wants) and they'd be hardcapped at the second apron. That part would definitely suck.

Post #10 » by **gswhoops** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 7:04 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
I'm not sure that's true, but even if it is, he's not better enough to justify the extra salary. Now the Wizards have no business attaching No. 6 to turn Poole into Green, but this trade kind of sucks for both teams.

It doesn't remotely suck for Phoenix who would pull the trigger immediately if given the chance.

Except for the fact they'd have like 110% of the cap devoted to SGs (two of whom no other team wants) and they'd be hardcapped at the second apron. That part would definitely suck.

This is also an accurate description of their current position. Getting hard capped at the second apron seems like a relatively small price to pay to get a top 10 pick for basically free.

Post #11 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 7:06 pm

gswhoops wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
It doesn't remotely suck for Phoenix who would pull the trigger immediately if given the chance.

Except for the fact they'd have like 110% of the cap devoted to SGs (two of whom no other team wants) and they'd be hardcapped at the second apron. That part would definitely suck.

This is also an accurate description of their current position. Getting hard capped at the second apron seems like a relatively small price to pay to get a top 10 pick for basically free.

Yeah I think the Suns are going to get themselves under the 2nd apron anyway. Makes no sense not to. So its not even a pain point. And they already have their payroll commited to duplicative players. But wouldn't it be nice to have a top 6 prospect added to the mix while you sort that out?

Post #12 » by **gswhoops** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 7:07 pm

The icing on the cake here is that Poole actually makes less $ per year and expires a year earlier than Green.

Post #13 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 7:16 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
gswhoops wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Except for the fact they'd have like 110% of the cap devoted to SGs (two of whom no other team wants) and they'd be hardcapped at the second apron. That part would definitely suck.

This is also an accurate description of their current position. Getting hard capped at the second apron seems like a relatively small price to pay to get a top 10 pick for basically free.

Yeah I think the Suns are going to get themselves under the 2nd apron anyway. Makes no sense not to. So its not even a pain point. And they already have their payroll commited to duplicative players. But wouldn't it be nice to have a top 6 prospect added to the mix while you sort that out?

I thought Poole made more. Yeah, I guess you take No. 6, put Booker on the market, and just start the rebuild now. That would be the rational play.

I do think Green is more tradeable due to age though, so if an immediate rebuild isn't the plan, the Suns get even more stuck here.

TGW · Post #14 » by **TGW** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 7:48 pm

The Wizards wouldn't do this even without the pick.

HornetJail · Post #15 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 9:02 pm

#6 shouldn't be anywhere near this trade. If the Suns insist on receiving something, it should be #18... and even thats too much

giberish · Post #16 » by **giberish** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 9:08 pm

gswhoops wrote:The icing on the cake here is that Poole actually makes less $ per year and expires a year earlier than Green.

And he's more of a PG than Green. So he's a better fit for the Suns as well.

Feels' like an even trade without the pick as the Suns get the slighlty better (IMO), slightly cheaper, slightly better fit while Washington gets the younger guy.

daoneandonly · Post #17 » by **daoneandonly** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 9:14 pm

Beyond terrible for Washington. Green sucks and should have a pick attached to unload

Post #18 » by **gswhoops** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 9:28 pm

HornetJail wrote:#6 shouldn't be anywhere near this trade. If the Suns insist on receiving something, it should be #18... and even thats too much

Neither team should be including anything here and if that means the deal doesn't get done, then it just shouldn't get done.

HornetJail · Post #19 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 9:31 pm

gswhoops wrote:
HornetJail wrote:#6 shouldn't be anywhere near this trade. If the Suns insist on receiving something, it should be #18... and even thats too much

Neither team should be including anything here and if that means the deal doesn't get done, then it just shouldn't get done.

i mean, I agree, but I also think that if one team added the 60th pick, it would be the most valuable piece in this trade by a mile

Post #20 » by **gswhoops** » Mon Jun 23, 2025 9:55 pm

HornetJail wrote:
gswhoops wrote:
HornetJail wrote:#6 shouldn't be anywhere near this trade. If the Suns insist on receiving something, it should be #18... and even thats too much

Neither team should be including anything here and if that means the deal doesn't get done, then it just shouldn't get done.

i mean, I agree, but I also think that if one team added the 60th pick, it would be the most valuable piece in this trade by a mile

100%

To me this is the kind of deal where whoever made the phone call first throws in a 2nd to get the deal done but shouldn't include anything more than that.