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Suns/Bucks/Nets 

Post#1 » by Mavrelous » Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:57 pm

Suns Send: Beal, O'Neale, Allen, #10
Suns Receive: Kuzma, Mann, Claxton, #19, #27

Suns get 2 rotation forwards and a Center, for Beal, O'Neal and Allen, downgrade their 1st.

Bucks trade: Dame, Kuzma, PatC, Bucks 31 1st
Bucks receive: Beal, Allen, O'Neal, #22, #36

Bucks get Beal (Giannis convinces him), a shooter they know well and a 3&D forward for their bad contracts, they also get 2 late 1sts for their 31 unprotected.

Nets trade: Claxton, Mann, #19, #22, #27, #36
Nets Receive: Dame, PatC, #10, Bucks 31 1st.

They upgrade their 4 late 1sts into a higher quality 1st and a distant 1st, and sell their playable contracts.
They are tanking this year as it, and they hope next year Dame is playable or tradable.
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Re: Suns/Bucks/Nets 

Post#2 » by ReggiesKnicks » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:12 pm

It seems like too many things are happening here.

For Phoenix, I value sticking-and-picking at #10 over getting off 2 years of Beal.

For Milwaukee, they don't like the idea of swapping Lillard/Beal. Is there a way to make this Allen/O'Neale for Kuzma/Pat/2031 1st?

Brooklyn should be able to trade up without eating Dame.

PatC/Bucks 31st for Mann/#19/#22

Allen, O'Neale for Mann, PatC, #22
Kuzma, PatC, 2031 1st for Allen, O'Neale, #26
Mann, #22, #26 for Kuzma, 2031 1st
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Re: Suns/Bucks/Nets 

Post#3 » by Netaman » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:21 pm

Mavrelous wrote:Suns Send: Beal, O'Neale, Allen, #10
Suns Receive: Kuzma, Mann, Claxton, #19, #27

Suns get 2 rotation forwards and a Center, for Beal, O'Neal and Allen, downgrade their 1st.

Bucks trade: Dame, Kuzma, PatC, Bucks 31 1st
Bucks receive: Beal, Allen, O'Neal, #22, #36

Bucks get Beal (Giannis convinces him), a shooter they know well and a 3&D forward for their bad contracts, they also get 2 late 1sts for their 31 unprotected.

Nets trade: Claxton, Mann, #19, #22, #27, #36
Nets Receive: Dame, PatC, #10, Bucks 31 1st.

They upgrade their 4 late 1sts into a higher quality 1st and a distant 1st, and sell their playable contracts.
They are tanking this year as it, and they hope next year Dame is playable or tradable.


i like this for nets, but maybe 1 pick too heavy? feel like Phoenix is getting a lot with Clax, #19, #27 for the positive value of #10. Think Nets should keep 1 of those picks or go to MIL.

im not sure bucks would give up their 2031 in this either, which may not be a deal breaker for nets, especially if they kept #22 (or #19).

i dont think nets need to keep 4 picks this year, my guess is 3 in the top 22 is ideal for them, so i think sending out 2 firsts (+#36) and claxton to get #10 is the ticket. if they can get back a future pick even better but not sure that's realistic.
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Re: Suns/Bucks/Nets 

Post#4 » by ReggiesKnicks » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:22 pm

Netaman wrote:
i dont think nets need to keep 4 picks this year, my guess is 3 in the top 22 is ideal for them, so i think sending out 2 firsts (+#36) and claxton to get #10 is the ticket. if they can get back a future pick even better but not sure that's realistic.


I think Grayson Allen is worth more than Nic Claxton.
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Post#5 » by drchaos » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:27 pm

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
Netaman wrote:
i dont think nets need to keep 4 picks this year, my guess is 3 in the top 22 is ideal for them, so i think sending out 2 firsts (+#36) and claxton to get #10 is the ticket. if they can get back a future pick even better but not sure that's realistic.


I think Grayson Allen is worth more than Nic Claxton.


Meh, not so sure.

Claxton is a great defender.
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Re: Suns/Bucks/Nets 

Post#6 » by ReggiesKnicks » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:28 pm

drchaos wrote:
ReggiesKnicks wrote:
Netaman wrote:
i dont think nets need to keep 4 picks this year, my guess is 3 in the top 22 is ideal for them, so i think sending out 2 firsts (+#36) and claxton to get #10 is the ticket. if they can get back a future pick even better but not sure that's realistic.


I think Grayson Allen is worth more than Nic Claxton.


Meh, not so sure.

Claxton is a great defender.


Allen is a great shooter

Claxton isn't a great defender. He is positive though and was great in 2023. Good in 2024. Mediocre in 2025.Good in 2022.
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Re: Suns/Bucks/Nets 

Post#7 » by Mavrelous » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:39 pm

Netaman wrote:i like this for nets, but maybe 1 pick too heavy? feel like Phoenix is getting a lot with Clax, #19, #27 for the positive value of #10. Think Nets should keep 1 of those picks or go to MIL.

im not sure bucks would give up their 2031 in this either, which may not be a deal breaker for nets, especially if they kept #22 (or #19).

i dont think nets need to keep 4 picks this year, my guess is 3 in the top 22 is ideal for them, so i think sending out 2 firsts (+#36) and claxton to get #10 is the ticket. if they can get back a future pick even better but not sure that's realistic.


I don't think it's a pick heavy, 2 lottery picks to add in a single year is enough IMO, and it opens a space to trade CamJo for a pick this year (Spurs at #14 makes a lot of sense).
Bucks need to do this the most, they have 85M $ of unplayable mess in Dame, Kuzma and PatC, this gives them 3 playable players.
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Re: Suns/Bucks/Nets 

Post#8 » by Netaman » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:48 pm

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
drchaos wrote:
ReggiesKnicks wrote:
I think Grayson Allen is worth more than Nic Claxton.


Meh, not so sure.

Claxton is a great defender.


Allen is a great shooter

Claxton isn't a great defender. He is positive though and was great in 2023. Good in 2024. Mediocre in 2025.Good in 2022.


what other starter level center is out there for grayson allen that's better than Claxton?

i dont think there is an answer to that question, but if there is the next question would be if that player's team is also able to help the suns move beal + oneale too.
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Post#9 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:53 pm

This is just way too good for Phoenix. Shedding an absolute ton of bad long-term salary while only moving back a few spots in the draft (I have 19 + 27 getting you into the 11-13 range of the draft). Claxton is a good player on a team friendly descending contract, and while I don't love Mann's contract, he's clearly >> 32-year old Royce O'Neal in terms of value. Either one of those firsts needs to be routed to Milwaukee, or they need better players/more friendly contracts than this. I remain incredibly skeptical of this idea that the Bucks would toss in an unprotected 2031 1st just to turn Lillard into Bradley Beal, and taking on this much more unmovable salary (this adds $30 million to their 2027 cap sheet) feels like a complete non-starter. Needs way more compensation than just one late-1st and a 2nd round pick.
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Re: Suns/Bucks/Nets 

Post#10 » by jredsaz » Wed Jun 25, 2025 4:50 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:This is just way too good for Phoenix. Shedding an absolute ton of bad long-term salary while only moving back a few spots in the draft (I have 19 + 27 getting you into the 11-13 range of the draft). Claxton is a good player on a team friendly descending contract, and while I don't love Mann's contract, he's clearly >> 32-year old Royce O'Neal in terms of value. Either one of those firsts needs to be routed to Milwaukee, or they need better players/more friendly contracts than this. I remain incredibly skeptical of this idea that the Bucks would toss in an unprotected 2031 1st just to turn Lillard into Bradley Beal, and taking on this much more unmovable salary (this adds $30 million to their 2027 cap sheet) feels like a complete non-starter. Needs way more compensation than just one late-1st and a 2nd round pick.


I don’t think Allen and ONeale are bad long term salary. ONeale and Mann are pretty similar players and if I have Giannis I probably prefer ONeale and his PO experience. I like Mann but I’m not buying any significant value gap there. The issue for the Bucks is that 2031 first. They should not be parting with that in this deal.
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Re: Suns/Bucks/Nets 

Post#11 » by M-C-G » Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:35 pm

Mavrelous wrote:.

Nets trade: Claxton, Mann, #19, #22, #27, #36
Nets Receive: Dame, PatC, #10, Bucks 31 1st.

They upgrade their 4 late 1sts into a higher quality 1st and a distant 1st, and sell their playable contracts.
They are tanking this year as it, and they hope next year Dame is playable or tradable.


I know Bucks don’t have pick 10 but this deal has good bones without all the other teams involved.
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Re: Suns/Bucks/Nets 

Post#12 » by M-C-G » Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:38 pm

Claxton and Mann plus filler for Dame and the picks? Or Claxton and Russel for Dame with some picks exchanged?
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Re: Suns/Bucks/Nets 

Post#13 » by JKiddy » Wed Jun 25, 2025 7:49 pm

You would likely have to give #1 for Sean Marks to trade for a severely injured old and end of career Dame Lillard.

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