OKC Clears Roster Spot w/ Chicago

[spearsy23]

OKC Out- Isaiah Joe, Pick 44
Chi Out- Chris Duarte Trade Exception, Portland Lotto Protected '2026/27/'28

Looking for trades for Joe to open roster a roster. It feels like on court he should be worth a late first (22 mpg, 10/2.5/1.5 on +40% three point shooting, and a subpar defender but good enough to play a role on an all time great defensive team). The problem is that it's tough finding a team that can make the cap work and has a pick to add. The Portland pick is lotto protected for 3 years then become a 2nd. Feels like the Bulls would be giving up a little too much, but adding on the '26 Houston pick feels like it tilts a little too much in the opposite direction.

[BlazersBroncos]

Rich for CHI. PDX is going for the play-in this year but even if they make it your looking at a pick in the 15-18 range. Thats a big price for Joe IMO.

I think Dieng + 44 into the CHI TPE is more in line.

[ChettheJet]

No thanks. Joe would be fine if the Bulls didn't have 7 guards, they have #45 what in the heck do they want #44 for and they've waited for that PORT pick for 3 years they aren't giving it away to help out the newly crowned champions

[spearsy23]

Rich for CHI. PDX is going for the play-in this year but even if they make it your looking at a pick in the 15-18 range. Thats a big price for Joe IMO.

I think Dieng + 44 into the CHI TPE is more in line.

Thoughts on adding the '26 Houston pick?

[hugepatsfan]

So I think the obvious comparison here is the Hauser trades that people post daily. Celtics fans post deals like this all the time and get told it's too much for a deal that clears the salary. I think elite shooter is always in demand, but I think Joe being 6'5" and a targetable defender is a bit less valuable than Hauser being 6'8" and elite shooter because the more in the front court you get the more valuable shooting becomes since the skill set for that gets scarcer as you move in that direction.

So I'd say this is a bit of an overpayment. I think if you outright dump Joe you're looking at probably nothing back or maybe a future 2nd. Maybe not as good as Joe, but you can find SG only guys who are plus shooters/weaker defenders without giving up a pick.

[pipfan]

I've posted Port pick for Dieng/#24 many times
I think it's a great deal for both

OKC saves $/roster spots and gets a future pick. They already have to find minutes for Topic and the #15 (Sorber or Newell?)

Chi sees what Dieng can be and adds a late 1st

[Devilanche]

Kind of expensive when you are getting cap space as well

[spearsy23]

I've posted Port pick for Dieng/#24 many times
I think it's a great deal for both

OKC saves $/roster spots and gets a future pick. They already have to find minutes for Topic and the #15 (Sorber or Newell?)

Chi sees what Dieng can be and adds a late 1st

I wouldn't hate it if OKC did that, but I think Dieng is easy to move so IDK about attaching a first to him and gambling on the Portland pick. I think it's more likely to convey than not, but at like a 55/45 ratio.

[redslastlaugh]

OKC Out- Isaiah Joe, Pick 44
Chi Out- Chris Duarte Trade Exception, Portland Lotto Protected '2026/27/'28

Seems like with Joe, Dort, Wiggins, Caruso, Mitchell a better move would be simply to consolidate 2-3 of those guys into one player. You know SGA and Jalen are your fixtures, but then you are running out of roster spots esp with your pick haul coming to fruition. Those guys are signed long term but Dort especially is coming up on extension and he's gonna probably want $25-$30+ which is not in budget as far as I understand it.

Joe and Wiggins and Mitchell plus a 2027 1st for Cam Johnson or something would open a lot of roster room

[spearsy23]

OKC Out- Isaiah Joe, Pick 44
Chi Out- Chris Duarte Trade Exception, Portland Lotto Protected '2026/27/'28

Seems like with Joe, Dort, Wiggins, Caruso, Mitchell a better move would be simply to consolidate 2-3 of those guys into one player. You know SGA and Jalen are your fixtures, but then you are running out of roster spots esp with your pick haul coming to fruition. Those guys are signed long term but Dort especially is coming up on extension and he's gonna probably want $25-$30+ which is not in budget as far as I understand it.

Joe and Wiggins and Mitchell plus a 2027 1st for Cam Johnson or something would give a lot of roster room

This is the move a lot of Thunder fans wanted to see this year. I don't think it's on the table, just because it could've been had at the trade deadline if it was a move both teams wanted. I also wouldn't see Mitchell being included, it would have to be Dieng. Mitchell played well as the backup pg when he wasn't injured.

And this will be controversial, but I don't believe that what Aaron Wiggins and Cam Johnson give you on court is actually that far apart. you look at their per 36s and Wiggins' stats as a starter and they're basically even outside of drawing free throws.

[redslastlaugh]

Cam Johnson is just a name i threw out. I'm just saying it seems long term, that you have extensions for chet and Jalen and then supermax coming for SGA that consolidating some of the Dort, Wiggins, Joe, Kenrich, Ajay, Caruso into one roster player making $25-$40 and signed for a long time is one way to go.

Maybe Presti would rather send them out one at a time into exceptions for draft capital. but you just have a lot of guys. Definitely not saying Cam Johnson is that guy but consolidation might make sense. I'd think your main pieces (non-big man) are SGA, J-Dub, & Caruso and then you are working within budget and draft to fill in around them... I like Wiggins a lot too, so maybe he's the guy you keep, I dunno

edit: but then you guys are still drunk on champagne so maybe just run it back and figure this out next offseason

OKC Out- Isaiah Joe, Pick 44
Chi Out- Chris Duarte Trade Exception, Portland Lotto Protected '2026/27/'28

Seems like with Joe, Dort, Wiggins, Caruso, Mitchell a better move would be simply to consolidate 2-3 of those guys into one player. You know SGA and Jalen are your fixtures, but then you are running out of roster spots esp with your pick haul coming to fruition. Those guys are signed long term but Dort especially is coming up on extension and he's gonna probably want $25-$30+ which is not in budget as far as I understand it.

Joe and Wiggins and Mitchell plus a 2027 1st for Cam Johnson or something would give a lot of roster room

This is the move a lot of Thunder fans wanted to see this year. I don't think it's on the table, just because it could've been had at the trade deadline if it was a move both teams wanted. I also wouldn't see Mitchell being included, it would have to be Dieng. Mitchell played well as the backup pg when he wasn't injured.

And this will be controversial, but I don't believe that what Aaron Wiggins and Cam Johnson give you on court is actually that far apart. you look at their per 36s and Wiggins' stats as a starter and they're basically even outside of drawing free throws.

[Xman]

Supposedly OKC trying to move up from 15+24. Not sure about values - but maybe something like:

POR sends 11 for 15 + 2026 POR (protected 14/14/14/2nd) back.
OKC send Joe + 15 for 11
CHI sends 2026 POR (protected 14/14/14/2nd) for Joe

POR sends 11 for 15 + 2026 POR (protected 14/14/14/2nd) back.
OKC send Dieng + 15 +24 for 11
CHI sends 2026 POR (protected 14/14/14/2nd) for Dieng + 24

[spearsy23]

Supposedly OKC trying to move up from 15+24. Not sure about values - but maybe something like:


POR sends 11 for 15 + 2026 POR (protected 14/14/14/2nd) back.
OKC send Dieng + 15 +24 for 11
CHI sends 2026 POR (protected 14/14/14/2nd) for Dieng + 24

This one feels really fair to me.

[pipfan]

Supposedly OKC trying to move up from 15+24. Not sure about values - but maybe something like:


POR sends 11 for 15 + 2026 POR (protected 14/14/14/2nd) back.
OKC send Dieng + 15 +24 for 11
CHI sends 2026 POR (protected 14/14/14/2nd) for Dieng + 24

This one feels really fair to me.

Looks good to me
OKC gets a better pick and frees up $/roster spots
Port gets their pick back, and can still get a good player at #15
Chi gets a look at Dieng and a later first to take the best C available

[sterncohen]

Nice. I like it for everyone, assuming that a player OKC wants is still available at 11.