[Shams] Coward (pick 11) to MEM from POR

[esvl]

I'm still waiting on Aldama to become an all star..

I wish you could be similarly excited about the Raps pick

Masai made us eat crow once re: Barnes, maybe it will happen again

When he dismantled the championship-level team FVV-Suggs-OG-Sjakam?

[esvl]

Expensive price, but rumor is SA wanted him at 12. Like the pick, but giving up a Orlando UP pick is tough....and we had to add 2nds. Coward was who I wanted so hard to be mad at the overpayment.

I wanted him from the very beginning, and I don’t give a slightest KuCF about a late pick 2028, which is nothing in comparison to what we just got. This kid will be better than Bane in 1 season, likely even less. I have never been happier as a Grizz fan since the Ja pick.

I am happy too. I think maybe Portland really wanted him too so we had to pay a price to change their mind. Not sure about being better than Bane anytime soon but he doesn't have to be worth this. He was always the most logical guy to target to fill the hole on our roster and happy what Zach was willing to be aggressive and made his move to get him.

So for Bane we got Coward, 1st 2026 via Phoenix, KCP, Cole, 2029 swap w/ Orlando, 2030 1st via Orlando, right?
I think KCP + Coward is a decent pair to play next to Ja. Imagine Pippen-Coward-KCP-Wells-JJJ in defensive clutch?

[Prospect Dong]

Memphis just absolutely addicted to trading up in the draft. And overpaying for the privilege.

They can point to a fair few success stories, but there’s Zaire Williams and Laravia too. Lot of list value on those dice rolls.

[Blazinaway]

Trading down started out very well for Portland and then with pick 16 WTF? Just awful choice for guy you could likely trade down again to the mid 20's at least and still get

[Godaddycurse]

Trading down started out very well for Portland and then with pick 16 WTF? Just awful choice for guy you could likely trade down again to the mid 20's at least and still get

Brooklyn woulda grabbed him at 19

[Nyce_1]

I think Coward's workout is why they traded Bane.

Bane was already gone when they got the workout scheduled.

[djFan71]

It’s a pretty solid haul for POR, but MEM got their guy.
And at least POR didn’t take Yang at 11.

[The-Power]

I like that value for Portland a lot.

Don't know enough about Coward to comment.

Value is great for Portland if they wanted Hansen all along. Traded down for solid assets while still having every reason to believe they can get their guy. This is how you should approach the draft even though I cannot say I am convinced by the decision to target Hansen this early.

I like it for Memphis, too. Yes, they gave up a future FRP but Coward projects to fill a huge need on the wings if he works out. And if he was their target, I love that they were willing to trade up and get him. And it's not like they gave up a potential premium asset (looking at you, Pelicans).

[Myth]

Trading down started out very well for Portland and then with pick 16 WTF? Just awful choice for guy you could likely trade down again to the mid 20's at least and still get

Brooklyn woulda grabbed him at 19

The No Ceilings guys (all they do is draft/prospect stuff) had heard that the Nets were locked in at taking him at 36. Hard to say what was accurate though.

[orlando_joe]

I wanted him from the very beginning, and I don’t give a slightest KuCF about a late pick 2028, which is nothing in comparison to what we just got. This kid will be better than Bane in 1 season, likely even less. I have never been happier as a Grizz fan since the Ja pick.

I am happy too. I think maybe Portland really wanted him too so we had to pay a price to change their mind. Not sure about being better than Bane anytime soon but he doesn't have to be worth this. He was always the most logical guy to target to fill the hole on our roster and happy what Zach was willing to be aggressive and made his move to get him.

So for Bane we got Coward, 1st 2026 via Phoenix, KCP, Cole, 2029 swap w/ Orlando, 2030 1st via Orlando, right?
I think KCP + Coward is a decent pair to play next to Ja. Imagine Pippen-Coward-KCP-Wells-JJJ in defensive clutch?

for magic they gave up hansen and now whoever portland picks in 28 ...magic were not going to add 2-2nds and unprotected 28 to move up 5 spots when they have paolo and franz they would of picked at 16....lol

its like me saying got vuc in dwight trade ...then got franz and wcj from vuc...so if ever trade franz magic get that player from dwight trade ...lol
wait maybe....but magic never added to vuc,,,so magic math works...100% franz came from dwight trade...lol

[esvl]

I am happy too. I think maybe Portland really wanted him too so we had to pay a price to change their mind. Not sure about being better than Bane anytime soon but he doesn't have to be worth this. He was always the most logical guy to target to fill the hole on our roster and happy what Zach was willing to be aggressive and made his move to get him.

So for Bane we got Coward, 1st 2026 via Phoenix, KCP, Cole, 2029 swap w/ Orlando, 2030 1st via Orlando, right?
I think KCP + Coward is a decent pair to play next to Ja. Imagine Pippen-Coward-KCP-Wells-JJJ in defensive clutch?

for magic they gave up hansen and now whoever portland picks in 28 ...magic were not going to add 2-2nds and unprotected 28 to move up 5 spots when they have paolo and franz they would of picked at 16....lol

its like me saying got vuc in dwight trade ...then got franz and wcj from vuc...so if ever trade franz magic get that player from dwight trade ...lol
wait maybe....but magic never added to vuc,,,so magic math works...100% franz came from dwight trade...lol

We have no questions to Orlando. You guys did great. Nothing but appreciation from MEM.

[QMemphis]

We got our guy. Love the move and good value for Portland. I believe we were bidding against OKC and Spurs.

[One_and_Done]

Bad for Portland, just because there were very good prospects at #11 that were gone by #16, regardless of whether Coward works out. Trading that for some maybes is dumb.

[Prospect Dong]

Bad for Portland, just because there were very good prospects at #11 that were gone by #16, regardless of whether Coward works out. Trading that for some maybes is dumb.

On draft day, every pick is a maybe. #16 is worse than #11. But #16 + almost any other future crack at the first round is better, IMO. This deal would be fine for Portland if the future pick was locked in at bottom 5, but it's actually got significant upside.

[One_and_Done]

Bad for Portland, just because there were very good prospects at #11 that were gone by #16, regardless of whether Coward works out. Trading that for some maybes is dumb.

On draft day, every pick is a maybe. #16 is worse than #11. But #16 + almost any other future crack at the first round is better, IMO. This deal would be fine for Portland if the future pick was locked in at bottom 5, but it's actually got significant upside.

Alot of posters get overly focused on abstract 'value' of assets, and making sure a deal has good 'value'. What is the 'value' of Caruso and J.Dub? I don't know, and OKC doesn't care because they're not looking to trade them right now unless they're offered so much it's a joke. That kind of context matters too.

If Coward or say Carter look like studs, then this deal sucks, even if it returns two mid 1sts.

[Prospect Dong]

Bad for Portland, just because there were very good prospects at #11 that were gone by #16, regardless of whether Coward works out. Trading that for some maybes is dumb.

On draft day, every pick is a maybe. #16 is worse than #11. But #16 + almost any other future crack at the first round is better, IMO. This deal would be fine for Portland if the future pick was locked in at bottom 5, but it's actually got significant upside.

Alot of posters get overly focused on abstract 'value' of assets, and making sure a deal has good 'value'. What is the 'value' of Caruso and J.Dub? I don't know, and OKC doesn't care because they're not looking to trade them right now unless they're offered so much it's a joke. That kind of context matters too.

If Coward or say Carter look like studs, then this deal sucks, even if it returns two mid 1sts.

Sure, if recent NBA finals near-MVP Jalen Williams is on the board, you should absolutely draft him, even if someone is offering you all the lotto picks to trade down. It's very rare for current, successful NBA players to be in the draft, though. And you should definitely draft the prospects who are going to turn out to be good, but no one really knows who those guys are in advance. Probably, someone who went between 10 and 16 is going to be better than the guy the Blazers actually picked (maybe most of them: weird pick!). And, probably, there's going to be someone who went later than 16 who will have a better career than Coward. There's no reliable way for even great FOs to pick the future studs in advance. Hopefully, Coward's one. But, as a Griz fan, I would have preferred whoever was left at #16 (maybe still Coward) and another shot at a stud next year.

[One_and_Done]

If you think a guy is 'the guy', you take him. You don't try and play 4d chess by moving him for two maybes. Memphis think Coward is the guy. Portland did not. I know whose FO I trust more. Also Carter Bryant looks very good to me, and apparently to the Spurs also. If those guys hit then it will be little consolation to say 'well got the #16 AND the #23 next year'.