Draft Day 1, The Good, the Bad, and the Huh?

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Re: Draft Day 1, The Good, the Bad, and the Huh? 

Post#41 » by BBallFreak » Thu Jun 26, 2025 8:36 pm

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eminence wrote:Would probably put Utah into the good camp.

Don't think there were any homerun moves, but picked up the falling high potential guy with Ace and then moved up a bit at a reasonable price to secure a guy they liked in the mid 1st with Clayton.

Jazzfans already going nuts with Bailey though - saw a McGrady with defensive upside comp :-/

Why do we set ourselves up to be hurt so?


I will happily eat crow if I'm wrong, but in my eyes the Jazz just drafted Josh Jackson and Jimmer Fredette.

SkyHook wrote:I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. I'm not a fan of this draft for Utah at all.

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No one had a worse day than New Orleans. Outside of Dallas drafting Flagg, no one had a better day than Atlanta. Miami got the steal of the draft.


Ehh. Because one drops considerably doesn’t automatically make them a “steal”. There is legitimate reason(s) why he dropped.

Similar to Whitmore.

Similar to Ware.

A guy dropping in the draft doesn't mean he's a bust. With Miami's track record, I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt.
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Re: Draft Day 1, The Good, the Bad, and the Huh? 

Post#42 » by facothomas22 » Thu Jun 26, 2025 8:40 pm

Winners

Mavericks - Of course, Cooper Flagg

Hawks - They fleeced the Pelicans. They didn't even trade out of the draft to get unprotected 1st round pick that's very likely going to be a lottery pick.They may even have put themselves in position to get Giannis next year, assuming he's not moved before that.

Suns - For the 1st time in a while, the Suns have a respectable Center rotation. Maluach is a high upside swing that could paid off big time and while they did give up more than I would ideally like for Mark Williams, at the end of the day he's good player when he is on the court, which isn't often, but if he can get healthy going forward, this value of this trade could move heavily on the Suns side.

Losers

Pelicans - I have no idea what they're doing. Are they betting on Zion being not only fully healthy and avaible, but improve to the point of being a ture top 5-10 player in the NBA? Because giving up their unprotected 1st round pick next year is really dangerous idea otherwise. That pick is almost for sure going to a higher pick than the pick they moved up for in potentially a strong draft class.

Kings - Moving up to pick 24 for Nique Clifford made no sense. He's already 23 years, so how high is his ceiling really? The Kings also already have guards that they to move. This is only to the problem they already have.

Blazers - What are they going to do with all of those center have on the roster? Someone is going to be odd man out as minutes are concerned. Dovoan Clingan is here to stay,unless he's getting moved for a all star or a massive pick package. Finding trades for De'Andre Ayton and Robert Williams is going to be quite hard due to their low trade value. While Yang does have true upside, Drafting him made no sense. If they drafted him in the 2nd, then no problem, just send him to the G-league for a whole year, and then play him as soon as Ayton and Williams contracts expire. However but being drafting in the mid 1st round means it's expected he's going to get some playing time, unless he proves he's not NBA cailber, which would actually make this selection even worse.
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Re: Draft Day 1, The Good, the Bad, and the Huh? 

Post#43 » by Prospect Dong » Thu Jun 26, 2025 8:43 pm

I just can't imagine how the negotiation between Atlanta and NO went to get them the best out of those two picks in a deal where they were already sending a first. I feel like #23+worst of those two picks, or just the best of those two picks are both pretty ok deals - I would have said yes to either of those if I were the Hawks, just for the upside. This genuinely feels like someone misunderstood the deal that was being made and added an extra zero onto the price.

Fine with the Griz pick, but hate the deal they made to move up. This front office has literally moved up every single year since they took over, and typically overpaid to do it. If you keep convincing yourself that the guy you really need is juuust out of reach, you're probably getting at least some of them wrong. And if you never, ever trade down because they guy you really want will still be there, then you're just bad at living with risk.

It sucks, because he clearly loves the draft, and he's clearly above average at identifying talent, especially late; but he burns through so many picks trading up that he needs to keep flipping assets to restock his supply.
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Re: Draft Day 1, The Good, the Bad, and the Huh? 

Post#44 » by HornetJail » Thu Jun 26, 2025 8:51 pm

Good:
Atlanta has been CRUSHING their offseason. getting that potentially high lotto pick out of NOLA just to move down 10 spots from one prospect to another that was often mocked in the same tier is incredible, coupled with the Porzingis trade. Atlanta is setting themselves up nicely to eventually make Trae their 2nd best player.

Bad:
New Orleans for the same reason as above. I'm just beyond confused there, on all fronts... [looks up GM]... oh yeah it's Joe Dumars, it all makes sense now.

WTF:
Brooklyn actually adding 5 rookies is a thing... I think it's expert tanking to guarantee themselves a high pick the one time they actually full own their own 1st round pick, hopefully they've got a system in place so that those 5 rookies aren't running around helplessly and digging holes for themselves like Charlotte winds up doing with our worst rookies every couple years.
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Re: Draft Day 1, The Good, the Bad, and the Huh? 

Post#45 » by BigGargamel » Thu Jun 26, 2025 9:03 pm

Atlanta completely owning the Pelicans in trades two years in a row, with two different GM's, is a crazy thing. I feel really bad for Pelicans fans. It's just one thing after another with that franchise.
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Re: Draft Day 1, The Good, the Bad, and the Huh? 

Post#46 » by gswhoops » Thu Jun 26, 2025 9:08 pm

I will admit that the funniest possible thing that could happen this season is Queen absolutely dominates, leads NOLA to the playoffs, and that pick ends up being in the teens.
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Re: Draft Day 1, The Good, the Bad, and the Huh? 

Post#47 » by JRoy » Thu Jun 26, 2025 9:12 pm

facothomas22 wrote:Winners

Mavericks - Of course, Cooper Flagg

Hawks - They fleeced the Pelicans. They didn't even trade out of the draft to get unprotected 1st round that's very likely going to be a lottery pick.They may even put in position to get Giannis next year, assuming he's not moved before that.

Suns - For the 1st time in a while, the Suns have a respectable Center rotation. Maluach is a high upside swing that could paid off big time and while they did give up more than I would ideally like for Mark Williams, at the end of the day he's good player when he is on the court, which isn't often, but if he can get healthy going forward, this value of this trade could move heavily on the Suns side.

Losers

Pelicans - I have no idea what they're doing. Are they betting on Zion being not only fully healthy and avaible, but improve to the point of being a ture top 5-10 player in the NBA? Because giving up their unprotected 1st round pick next year is really dangerous idea otherwise. That pick is almost for sure going to a higher pick than the pick they moved up for in potentially a strong draft class.

Kings - Moving up to pick 24 for Nique Clifford made no sense. He's already 23 years, so how high is his ceiling really? The Kings also already have guards that they to move. This is only to the problem they already have.

Blazers - What are they going to do with all of those center have on the roster? Someone is going to be odd man out as minutes are concerned. Dovoan Clingan is here to stay,unless he's getting moved for a all star or a massive pick package. Finding trades for De'Andre Ayton and Robert Williams is going to be quite hard due to their low trade value. While Yang does have true upside, Drafting him made no sense. If they drafted him in the 2nd, then no problem, just send him to the G-league for a whole year, and then play him as soon as Ayton and Williams contracts expire. However but being drafting in the mid 1st round means it's expected he's going to get some playing time, unless he proves he's not NBA cailber, which would actually make this selection even worse.


Ayton is expiring. Reath is a 3rd string center. RW is unreliable, This is not the problem you assume it is.
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Re: Draft Day 1, The Good, the Bad, and the Huh? 

Post#48 » by Prospect Dong » Thu Jun 26, 2025 9:24 pm

gswhoops wrote:I will admit that the funniest possible thing that could happen this season is Queen absolutely dominates, leads NOLA to the playoffs, and that pick ends up being in the teens.


I agree, that would be funny, in a kind of 'Mavs get Flagg' way - bad process with great results. But Queen could lead NOLA to the finals and that pick could still end up in the lottery if the Bucks struggle without Lillard. It's really hard to imagine a scenario where they don't give up at least #23 plus, like, #16 for #13. That's the best case scenario.
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Re: Draft Day 1 - The Good, the Bad, and the WTF 

Post#49 » by The-Power » Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:30 am

gswhoops wrote:The Good

Atlanta - LOVE how they've played the draft so far. Filled their biggest need with the Porzingis trade, and picked up a pick with huge upside to move down from 13 to 23 and grab Newell, who they might have taken at 13 anyway. I don't love Newell as a prospect but he's got tools to gamble on and he's a local kid who should be well situated to contribute a little soon while developing the rest of his game.

Washington - lot of sadness on draft night when they ended up with the #6 pick in a five-man draft. But when Charlotte took Kon at #4, they had Tre Johnson fall into their laps and didn't overthink it. Got good value for trading down a few spots and still (I assume) got the guy they wanted in Will Riley, who gives them another high-upside wing option.

Miami - Getting Jakucionis at 20 is a coup. Probably my #1 pick so far for a guy who's likely to outplay his draft position, and soon. He also fits nicely with Herro in the backcourt as a big PG.

The Bad

New Orleans - Fears is a pretty boom or bust prospect, but I can see the logic there. The trade up and selection of Queen though...I can't rationalize that. Giving up a "best of" unprotected pick between two teams that might be lottery-bound is a huge price and it's hard to think of a PF/C pairing that makes less sense than Zion and Queen. The net effect is that they've staked their future on three guys who need the ball in their hands, want to attack the basket, present spacing issues on offense, and are subpar defenders. I don't see how this works unless they're planning on moving on from Zion soon, but in that case giving up an unprotected 1st next year is even more egregious.

The Huh?

Portland - the value to move down from 11 to 16 was good, but Yang was probably the single most "WTF?!?" pick of the first round. I don't see how he and Clingan can operate together, and I find it hard to believe that they didn't have 16 players more highly rated on their board than Yang.

Phoenix - Maluach at 10 is great, but then turning around and trading 2 (admittedly not great) firsts for Mark Williams to stand in his way? This feels like spending significant resources they don't have on a luxury while stunting Maluach's development.

Sacramento - In a vacuum, they got good value both with the trade (a low-upside future 1st for #24) and the pick (Clifford, who I wouldn't have batted an eye if he went top-20). But they appear to be emulating the Phoenix model of building a roster comprised entirely of shooting guards and centers, which seems misguided. Have to give this move an "incomplete" until we see what the rest of the offseason has in store.

Very well put.

I personally am not convinced that Tre Johnson was the best player available at #6 but that is just my subjective opinion which certainly deviates from consensus. So I won't fault them for that (and in this context, it also made a ton of sense to move Poole who plays a similar brand of basketball and would have thus clashed with Tre and his development). I'm also not convinced that Jakučionis and Herro are a natural fit but the value at #20 is indeed awesome.

Fully agreed on Atlanta (though it obviously involved a bunch of luck regarding the trade), New Orleans, Portland, Phoenix and Sacramento. The last three we won't be able to fully judge until their ideas play out but it certainly raises some eyebrows in the meantime.

165bows wrote:Idk if I love the idea of giving up more future firsts (don’t even know where they got those) but I don’t think two young centers get in each other’s way at this point.

4800 minutes of C in a season and there aren’t many C these days that play more than 2-2500 minutes, only the top guys really. Def not an injury prone guy and an inexperienced rookie.

The issue for me is not that there is not enough playing time. It's that you'd ideally want to be able to play different styles (which is hampered by investing in positionally locked Cs with similar profiles), and that for a team like Phoenix it's all about careful and smart asset management (and investing the limited assets they have to acquire two similar players each with notable question marks is at least quite the gamble).

For a similar reason, I'm not really convinced by Portland's approach of adding Hansen to a roster with Clingan. I'm not saying it can't work out fine for them, but it's still an odd choice to invest considerable resources in back-to-back drafts to acquire two players that are positionally locked into the Center position and unlikely to ever be able to share the court for extended minutes.
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Re: Draft Day 1, The Good, the Bad, and the Huh? 

Post#50 » by gswhoops » Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:30 pm

Not going to do a full good/bad/ugly for Day 2, but some teams I thought had good second rounds:

Phoenix - Fleming was talked about as a likely top-20 pick and should be a rotation piece from day 1. Brea is a truly ELITE movement shooter who has just enough size and athleticism to get by on defense if he commits to the mental side of it. His ceiling is something like prime Duncan Robinson, but that's a great get in the 40s.

Sacramento - for a team that came into the draft without a 1st round pick, they walked away with 2 guys in my top 25. Raynaud is a skilled stretch 5 who I thought would sneak into the back end of the 1st. He has some athletic limitations but could be Brook Lopez lite (and not just because they both went to Stanford).

Charlotte - Sion James was my draft crush, and he should fit well into the Hornets' revamped wing rotation. He could be Lu Dort 2.0. Kalkbrenner slides right into the spot vacated by the Mark Williams trade. "Walker Kessler who can shoot 3s" is a player every team could use.

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