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CHA/CHI 

Post#1 » by HornetJail » Sun Jul 6, 2025 5:53 am

Josh Green, Pat Connaughton, 2026 2nd better of DEN/GSW, 2028 2nd better of CHA/LAC, 2029 2nd DEN, 2032 MIL 2nd

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Nikola Vucevic

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Charlotte clears a supernatural log jam at backup wing, and gains a starting level center for the season. One that will allow Lee and his borderline disturbing love of three-pointers to go crazy. Charlotte has 14 or 15 2nd rounders, a roster crunch for probably multiple seasons (after bringing on 4 rookies this year), and a glaring need at the center position. Vucevic kind of kills two birds with one stone, as it allows for some Diabate minutes at the 4, which we really can't do with our other current centers, and we are short of players capable of playing the 4 as well. Results in the most balanced offensive starting five Charlotte has had probably since the original Hornets.
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Chicago gets picks out of Vuc and eating 1 year $14.6M of Green's contract in 2026-27. More moves to follow to commit to a rebuild but let's be honest they're already close to the bottom after this.
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Re: CHA/CHI 

Post#2 » by meekrab » Sun Jul 6, 2025 6:07 am

The Bulls don't care about 2nd round picks so I don't think this has legs in the real world despite it probably being correct in the RealGM T&T board continuity. They should be playing Collins and Smith more than Vucevic this year anyway to figure out which of them is the future center, so trading Vucevic is obviously a good idea.
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Post#3 » by MasterIchiro » Sun Jul 6, 2025 1:47 pm

I'd be willing to trade both 2nd round picks Hornets acquired when ownership took on Connaughton. Bucks 2031 & 2032. Giannis will be gone so those picks are valuable.

Bulls are probably hoping for a 1st for Vucevic. The Suns paid to move Nurkic. I'd probably even offer that 2026 1st (lesser of Magic/Grizzlies) just to dump Josh Green at this point.
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Post#4 » by ChettheJet » Sun Jul 6, 2025 2:54 pm

So the great plan is for the Bulls to get some SRP's and Two guys they have no desire for nor do they want to give them any playing time at the expense of the younger players they have which would be the future? They might as well just keep Vucevic

Here's a better plan, cut the Bulls out of this deal
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Post#5 » by DNP-Old » Sun Jul 6, 2025 2:58 pm

MasterIchiro wrote:I'd be willing to trade both 2nd round picks Hornets acquired when ownership took on Connaughton. Bucks 2031 & 2032. Giannis will be gone so those picks are valuable.

Bulls are probably hoping for a 1st for Vucevic. The Suns paid to move Nurkic. I'd probably even offer that 2026 1st (lesser of Magic/Grizzlies) just to dump Josh Green at this point.


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Re: CHA/CHI 

Post#6 » by MasterIchiro » Sun Jul 6, 2025 2:59 pm

DNP-Old wrote:
MasterIchiro wrote:I'd be willing to trade both 2nd round picks Hornets acquired when ownership took on Connaughton. Bucks 2031 & 2032. Giannis will be gone so those picks are valuable.

Bulls are probably hoping for a 1st for Vucevic. The Suns paid to move Nurkic. I'd probably even offer that 2026 1st (lesser of Magic/Grizzlies) just to dump Josh Green at this point.


Send Green & the 1st to LAL for Maxi & Milton.


I'd much rather have Vuc starting.
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Post#7 » by Tony Snell » Sun Jul 6, 2025 5:59 pm

I don't think this is close for the Bulls. They have positioned themselves nicely financially going forward with a ton of money coming off the books after this year. I don't think they'd have any interest in Greens multi year deal. I do not think 2nds that far out hold much value, and given the Bulls history with 2nds, I'm rather sure they wouldn't value them enough to take the multi year deal as well.
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Post#8 » by Rich4114 » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:07 pm

We can't trade Pat until September 6th for what it's worth. But none the less, I mentioned this in another thread - value for Chicago would be late 1st, multiple 2nd's or a young prospect. Charlotte is crowded at the guard spot and NSJ is going into year 3. Many fans would not want to give up on him, but his fit with our existing core isn't great. He's got excellent handles and can shoot plus he's shown improvement between year 1 and 2.

Josh Green + NSJ + a second for Vuc works
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Post#9 » by jbk1234 » Tue Jul 8, 2025 7:16 pm

The Bulls are rumored to be considering a buyout for Vuc. Color me skeptical that it's a 1st or bust, especially if the reason a buyout is being dicussed is that he wants to play on a good team at 35 years of age.

The Hornets might have to trade expiring contracts, but if they're willing, seconds should be fine.
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Post#10 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Tue Jul 8, 2025 11:27 pm

Yeah it would need to be Pat, Okogie, 2 2nds imo

But I think Vuc has expressed an interest in going to a contender and not sure he’d want to play for Charlotte.
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Post#11 » by poolshark52 » Tue Jul 8, 2025 11:33 pm

How about Okogie, Connaughton and Salaun? That works salary and capwise
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Re: CHA/CHI 

Post#12 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Jul 8, 2025 11:40 pm

Are the Bulls worried if the Hornets add Vucevic, Charlotte will infringe on their play-in turf?

They shouldn't.

Hornets have expirings and 2nd round picks and I don't think a holdup would be about where he wants to play. His former coach in Orlando resides (like a barnacle) in our front office somehow. I could see where Clifford works overtime to sell him on our current improvement plan. And any losing team that acquires him now can flip him to a contender at the deadline as an expiring contract. He would start in Charlotte, play big minutes, build good stats in a 5-out (gimmick) system Charles Lee brought from Boston. And he rebounds. Clifford obsesses over rebounds.

If the value is right I can't imagine there's not a loud voice in the organization calling for him.

But Clifford also ran a Plum-centric offense and loves Plumlee. So here we are.

It would be a slam dunk for me if I were making the call.

I'd give up expirings and include Bulls pick of the 3 picks they value most from the 12 2nd round picks in Charlotte.

Hopefully this is hung up because the Hornets are negotiating a better longterm fit. But Vuc is the perfect placeholder and fallback.
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Post#13 » by shrink » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:01 am

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Post#14 » by One_and_Done » Wed Jul 9, 2025 7:24 am

meekrab wrote:The Bulls don't care about 2nd round picks so I don't think this has legs in the real world despite it probably being correct in the RealGM T&T board continuity. They should be playing Collins and Smith more than Vucevic this year anyway to figure out which of them is the future center, so trading Vucevic is obviously a good idea.

This. Bulls are shooting for the play in every year, so this isn't a deal that is feasible in reality.
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Post#15 » by Dez » Wed Jul 9, 2025 10:01 am

One_and_Done wrote:
meekrab wrote:The Bulls don't care about 2nd round picks so I don't think this has legs in the real world despite it probably being correct in the RealGM T&T board continuity. They should be playing Collins and Smith more than Vucevic this year anyway to figure out which of them is the future center, so trading Vucevic is obviously a good idea.

This. Bulls are shooting for the play in every year, so this isn't a deal that is feasible in reality.


Except they aren't, the Bulls are young and have an abundance of money coming off the books next season.

They are actually in a better position than some people seem to think.

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