DAL - NYK - SAC

[SuperflyKnick]

Again Trading DD and Ellis for Bridges is bad business all around. You dont trade 5 firsts (Ovrpay) and turn around and ship him for DD and Ellis , talk about asset waste... For that reason alone if it isnt for a star the knicks wont trade bridges

OP just cant admit this one is a miss, he thinks NY and Dal should help his team. Notice only 1 person in the poll clicked all teams say yes, it was clearly him

And you can’t admit that DeRozan would actually help the Mavs (despite other Mav fans on this board agreeing that he does). Your opinion is far from consensus…even within your own fanbase.

And again, I’m not the only one who has posted in this thread that suggests this deal helps the Knicks. If you’re so frustrated by me defending my proposal, how about you actually give a counter with some evidence to backup your claim? More than happy to have that discussion with you.

How on earth will this help the knicks though ??? You downgrade team wise from Mikal to DD Minus the Defense, the team chemistry, and being younger, and better player at this moment... So if your trying to tell me the diff between them is Eliis who sure the hell aint worth 5frst rd picks (Unless your telling me Eliis will morph into Jalen Brunson 2.0 over night

[SuperflyKnick]

There is no spin when I claim that both DeRozan and Ellis have positive value. That’s about as direct as I can be.

And the trade does make sense for NY (we even have others outside of me agreeing it does). There’s either an overvaluing of Bridges going on or an undervaluing of Ellis.

Again Trading DD and Ellis for Bridges is bad business all around. You dont trade 5 firsts (Ovrpay) and turn around and ship him for DD and Ellis , talk about asset waste... For that reason alone if it isnt for a star the knicks wont trade bridges

The Knicks aren’t getting DeRozan. They’re getting Martin, Marshall, and Ellis.

And I’m glad you at least admit the Bridges trade was an overpay and that Bridges doesn’t hold near that value now considering his declining numbers and contract situation, but if the point is that the FO won’t admit their mistake and make a deal that actually makes them better because of optics…well that’s cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Again, I’m not the only person that has posted in this thread that agrees this trade helps the Knicks. The issue seems to be that the FO would be admitting they made a mistake when trading for Bridges; whereas, if they don’t trade him, they can continue pretending like it was a good trade to make. That doesn’t really suggest that the proposed trade is a bad trade. It suggests that people are worried about optics (which doesn’t impact winning).

Jesus i didnt even realize that Knicks are getting Martin and not DD which makes it even worse !!! Imagine your team trades 4-5 first rd picks unprotected for Martin, Marshall and Ellis wowwwwwwwwww .Again Birdges was a overpay by 2 first rd pks but this proposal def is even worse

[longfellow44]

This is a major upgrade defensively for the knicks and a downgrade defensively for the kings.

Mikal bridges got overpaid for having the greenlight when he was with brooklyn, he has never been as good defensively as people want to believe. Ellis is clearly better. Just because the knicks overpaid for him doesn't mean that he actually holds that much value.

I'm not doing this trade as a kings fan because Ellis will be on a better contract than mikal providing better defense than mikal while shooting better from 3 than mikal.

This is an easy no.

As far as I am concerned Keon and Keegan are the foundation of the kings moving forward. We are a top 10 defense with these two on the court at the same time.

With Murray, Ellis, Monk, Derozan, and Sabonis on the court together they have a defensive rating of 102.2. This was the kings third most used lineup last season. They were also good offensively with a 119.3 rating that is a net of 17.1. I'm not trying to mess that up.

[bpcox05]

OP just cant admit this one is a miss, he thinks NY and Dal should help his team. Notice only 1 person in the poll clicked all teams say yes, it was clearly him

And you can’t admit that DeRozan would actually help the Mavs (despite other Mav fans on this board agreeing that he does). Your opinion is far from consensus…even within your own fanbase.

And again, I’m not the only one who has posted in this thread that suggests this deal helps the Knicks. If you’re so frustrated by me defending my proposal, how about you actually give a counter with some evidence to backup your claim? More than happy to have that discussion with you.

How on earth will this help the knicks though ??? You downgrade team wise from Mikal to DD Minus the Defense, the team chemistry, and being younger, and better player at this moment... So if your trying to tell me the diff between them is Eliis who sure the hell aint worth 5frst rd picks (Unless your telling me Eliis will morph into Jalen Brunson 2.0 over night

That’s the issue. You’re conflating what the Knicks gave up to get Bridges a year ago to what his value is today (and most would agree that he wasn’t even worth 5 1st round picks at the time of the trade). If you’d like to pass on opportunities that improve your team because the package you’re getting back isn’t worth 5 1st rounders, so be it, but let’s not pretend like the Knicks are going to be able to get remotely close to that type of value especially since Bridges will be a UFA next year.

And to be clear, Bridges is not a star, and he’s not worth a star price despite the Knicks surrendering a star price for him a year ago. It was a bad value trade at the end of the day, but the question for the Knicks is how do you proceed from here? Do you wallow in it, remain stubborn, & reject reality to the detriment of your team or do you consider trade ideas involving Bridges that would make your team better even if the package coming back isn’t worth 5 1st round draft picks?