Brooklyn Dallas trade around PJ Washington & Cam Thomas

[Darren]

PJ Washington, Caleb Martin, Max Christie, Jaden Hardy for sign and trade Cam Thomas.

Thomas can run the point until Kyrie's back and play alongside Kyrie when Kyrie comeback. PJ can start with Claxton and Porter. Brooklyn also gets two young pieces in Christie and Hardy.. Dallas gets extra roster spot to retain Exum and Kai Jones. PJ is playoff proven young pieces with two-way contribution. With Cooper Flagg, however, it's better to start Klay and Cam instead of PJ and DoLo. Brooklyn can develop Demin, Christie and Hardy. Martin has played key role as reserve player in Miami championship against Tatum.

C - DLive /.Gafford / Powell
PF - AD / Kai Jones / OMax
SF - Flagg / Marshall
SG - Thomas / Klay / Exum
PG - Kyrie / DoLo / BWill

[oldncreaky]

I get the need for Dallas to shore up its guard rotation while Kyrie is recovering, but I think this is way too much for Thomas

I think Thomas is a SG -- not a PG, not even really a combo guard. He's always had an Ast:TO ratio under 2. I think he's a microwave bench scorer, and not a player I want to pay more than the MLE.

But even ignoring the salaries/contracts, I'd much rather have PJ, and I think Christie is better too.

[jayjaysee]

Yeah, I suggested Gafford, Klay and value for Cam and Diabate so I guess I can’t say anything. But I wouldn’t want to lose PJ for Cam. I’d rather PJ in closing line ups than Cam..

[Darren]

Thomas averages 7 free throws attempts with 88%. With so many bigs to set screen and draw attention with, Thomas can score more points with less shot attempts. Thomas averages 9 three point attempts on 34.9%. The Mavs has more spacing to operate with. So Thomas can hits more three on higher percentage with less attempts as well. It's easier to find someone left opened in Dallas. I think the assists numbers will go up with turnovers being cut down. I can also lower the turnovers by the bigs under pressure. Therefore, I think Cam Thomas complements the lineup better. I think Cam Thomas deserves at least Brunson's contract. Cam's only 23. It's a great running mate to have alongside Flagg and DLive passing the post-Kyrie / AD era while still pushing for a championship with or without Kyrie this season. Cam Thomas is automatically 30 points plugged in to the puzzles. It could open things up for others. Cam with Klay on the perimeter is also deadly with Dlive and AD inside the paint. I think OMax can play PJ's role. Kai can play Maxi's role. Who may get opened? DLive and Coop. There's not much clutch defense required. And I suspect PJ can guard smaller players equally well. I also think PJ can leave for nothing has Coop taking PJ's sweet spot.
It's easily at least 120 point per game with 6 players including Cam Thomas 30, AD 25, Klay 15, DLive 15, Gafford 15, Coop 20. I have not even counting Kyrie.

[Darren]

If the contract is too much, make some of them as bonus for defensive stats, A/TO, S/TO ratio or all-star appearances.

[Mamba4Goat]

I don’t really get the need, if I’m honest. If they hadn’t signed D’Lo and brought Kyrie back, it’d make sense. But with those two on the roster, even if Kyrie is out for a minute, keeping it simple with Hardy makes more sense.

[Mavrelous]

The logistics of pulling off a S&T makes this massive overpay

[Darren]

I don’t really get the need, if I’m honest. If they hadn’t signed D’Lo and brought Kyrie back, it’d make sense. But with those two on the roster, even if Kyrie is out for a minute, keeping it simple with Hardy makes more sense.

DoLo was on 31% shooting from the arc last season. Cam Thomas averaged 27 PPG last season. That's twice more than DoLo. And the number has increased in each of the last 4 season. Cam Thomas is clear significantly better than Hardy despite being the same size.

[Chuck Everett]

So Dallas trades THREE rotation players who have all proven they can start/play playoff defense and Jaden Hardy, who I have not totally given up on, for the right to overpay Cam Thomas?

Where do the Nets sign up?

[Darren]

So Dallas trades THREE rotation players who have all proven they can start/play playoff defense and Jaden Hardy, who I have not totally given up on, for the right to overpay Cam Thomas?

Where do the Nets sign up?

To me, it's 1 starter for 1 starter. Christie is capable rotation player who has yet to find the right way to make plays. Martin is a player that the Mavs cannot use at all due to poor perimeter percentage. With Cam, you don't need Hardy. So Christie is the sweetener for Brooklyn to take Martin and Hardy into cap space. As Brooklyn is under the cap, it's unnecessary for both side to match the salary. I think Kai Jones is a player worthy keeping. Exum is still ahead of Christie in the depth chart. Whether or not it's overpaying depends on Cam Thomas contract. If it's around 22M, it's a good deal.

[Darren]

I don't get why Mavs fans want Coby White and is ready to pay White 40M per but consider Cam Thomas overpaid. Thomas can has more complete shooting numbers compared to Malik Monk with almost 50% from 2P and 35% from 3P despite not having anyone else to draw attention or setting screen. And his playing style is not prone to injury. Being able to get to foul line is huge fit next to a super big lineup. You can get to the foul lines early every quarter. Teams have nowhere to hide at all. Cam is only 23 and could potentially learn a lot from Kyrie. At 6-4, this is about the same size of Jamaal Murray. It's too early to rely Coop as the primary PG. Despite being a SG, Cam Thomas could open things up for everyone. This could unlock the offense for the whole team. Cam does not need much space or time to release a shot. With so many screen setter on the Mavs, it translates into many wide open 3 for Cam. From strategy standpoint, Cam Thomas is an outstanding fit with the big lineup or running lineup with Kyrie back. This is deadly to defenders to overcome.

[Darren]

I consider Cam Thomas an ideal player for two timeline approach.

[mademan]

I don't get why Mavs fans want Coby White and is ready to pay White 40M per but consider Cam Thomas overpaid. Thomas can has more complete shooting numbers compared to Malik Monk with almost 50% from 2P and 35% from 3P despite not having anyone else to draw attention or setting screen. And his playing style is not prone to injury. Being able to get to foul line is huge fit next to a super big lineup. You can get to the foul lines early every quarter. Teams have nowhere to hide at all. Cam is only 23 and could potentially learn a lot from Kyrie. At 6-4, this is about the same size of Jamaal Murray. It's too early to rely Coop as the primary PG. Despite being a SG, Cam Thomas could open things up for everyone. This could unlock the offense for the whole team. Cam does not need much space or time to release a shot. With so many screen setter on the Mavs, it translates into many wide open 3 for Cam. From strategy standpoint, Cam Thomas is an outstanding fit with the big lineup or running lineup with Kyrie back. This is deadly to defenders to overcome.

Cam Thomas only provides scoring, and he does it at league average efficiency, and that's in his best season, through 25 games. He's been below league average efficiency in every other year of his career - to go along with his non-existent defense, poor playmaking, lack of rebounding or stocks..etc.

PJ is much better than Thomas.

[Darren]

If 50-35-88 is inefficient, I would take it any day. Cam shot like 42-31 in college. That's impressive leap. Cam is definitely better piece to have. I won't argue about the lack of defense stuff. But consider the physical attributes. The accomplishments in 4 years are still amazing enough to bet on his potential. You need an elite scorer and shooter with the team current setup. In a long run, you also need a Kyrie replacement. Do you think the Mavs could draft anyone at lottery next couples of years? Do you think the Mavs could stay under the cap and land an all-star scorer? If not, you have to seize the opportunity if it's available.

[Darren]

PJ is natural 4 being squeezed out of positions by AD and Flagg. If you are keeping AD, then PJ should be available for a backcourt trade.

[theBigLip]

Pistons could use PJ. How about Sasser and a future first?

[Darren]

The Mavs need win now piece, not draft pick for PJ. I don't even know who Sasser is.

[mademan]

PJ probably should be traded, but its not clear that Cam is an upgrade on Dlo, and they cant play together.

[mademan]

If 50-35-88 is inefficient, I would take it any day. Cam shot like 42-31 in college. That's impressive leap. Cam is definitely better piece to have. I won't argue about the lack of defense stuff. But consider the physical attributes. The accomplishments in 4 years are still amazing enough to bet on his potential. You need an elite scorer and shooter with the team current setup. In a long run, you also need a Kyrie replacement. Do you think the Mavs could draft anyone at lottery next couples of years? Do you think the Mavs could stay under the cap and land an all-star scorer? If not, you have to seize the opportunity if it's available.

His TS% is literally league average, and its the best of his career, at a 25 game sample. He's a small inefficient scoring guard who does nothing else - the least valued archetype in the league.

[Darren]

If all the comments are true and Vrooklyn has gave in on Cam Thomas. Then, I am fine parting with sparing pieces with a pick for Cam.