DeRozan + picks = Barrett?

[Yenrallik1111]

Is everyone forgetting RJ is a decade younger, and puts up almost better stats?? At least in rebounds and assists. Demar being expiring means nothing. Obviously Toronto hasn't been in cost cutting mode with the contracts they have been handing out.

Sorry, gswhoops. Not responding to your comment directly. The kings definitely would need to add value.

People only care about age when players are good.

This. Because realistically who wants Barrett? It's not like hes 21 and might take a massive leap forward. He's going on his 7th year in the league, he is who we thought he was lol.

No not 21 but 25, took a leap from new York days. He still has room to grow for sure. Looking at his numbers his game is pretty well rounded. BI is coming in to help draw attention which should hopefully help make offense easier on RJ and everyone else.

[jbk1234]

Is everyone forgetting RJ is a decade younger, and puts up almost better stats?? At least in rebounds and assists. Demar being expiring means nothing. Obviously Toronto hasn't been in cost cutting mode with the contracts they have been handing out.

Sorry, gswhoops. Not responding to your comment directly. The kings definitely would need to add value.

Of course the money matters, particularly when neither team has much space to work with. The Kings would only *need* to add value if they really wanted Barrett on his contract, and based on reporting, no team really wants that. Players aren't trade assets just because fans want them to be.

Toronto has never been a real player in free agency so any cap space really doesn't mean anything. So for Toronto the money doesn't mean anything.

Cap space is an asset and one that the Raptors don't have the ability to offer right now. If you can absorb extra salary or even players outright, you get to charge for that. Porzingis, for example, was worth more than what the Celtics got in return.

If the Raptors told me cap space didn't matter to them *because they weren't a free agent destination,* I'd say great let's add a bad smaller contract to DDR so that you're taking back more salary.

[daoneandonly]

Yeah I think it’s the Kings not the Raptors who are owed something here. Neither guy has much of a market but at least DDR is expiring

Is everyone forgetting RJ is a decade younger, and puts up almost better stats?? At least in rebounds and assists. Demar being expiring means nothing. Obviously Toronto hasn't been in cost cutting mode with the contracts they have been handing out.

Sorry, gswhoops. Not responding to your comment directly. The kings definitely would need to add value.

Doesnt matter if he's younger, he's not a player that warrants picks of any kind coming back on his contract, even if the guy returning is equally bad.

[Yenrallik1111]

Of course the money matters, particularly when neither team has much space to work with. The Kings would only *need* to add value if they really wanted Barrett on his contract, and based on reporting, no team really wants that. Players aren't trade assets just because fans want them to be.

Toronto has never been a real player in free agency so any cap space really doesn't mean anything. So for Toronto the money doesn't mean anything.

Cap space is an asset and one that the Raptors don't have the ability to offer right now. If you can absorb extra salary or even players outright, you get to charge for that. Porzingis, for example, was worth more than what the Celtics got in return.

If the Raptors told me cap space didn't matter to them *because they weren't a free agent destination,* I'd say great let's add a bad smaller contract to DDR so that you're taking back more salary.

Or just keep the player 10 years younger barely starting to enter his prime. Demar just doesn't hold the same value.

[Yenrallik1111]

Yeah I think it’s the Kings not the Raptors who are owed something here. Neither guy has much of a market but at least DDR is expiring

Is everyone forgetting RJ is a decade younger, and puts up almost better stats?? At least in rebounds and assists. Demar being expiring means nothing. Obviously Toronto hasn't been in cost cutting mode with the contracts they have been handing out.

Sorry, gswhoops. Not responding to your comment directly. The kings definitely would need to add value.

Doesnt matter if he's younger, he's not a player that warrants picks of any kind coming back on his contract, even if the guy returning is equally bad.

It definitely matter he is younger. One player is close to retirement and the other just entering prime. I definitely think draft capital would be required. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

[Scoot McGroot]

Is everyone forgetting RJ is a decade younger, and puts up almost better stats?? At least in rebounds and assists. Demar being expiring means nothing. Obviously Toronto hasn't been in cost cutting mode with the contracts they have been handing out.

Sorry, gswhoops. Not responding to your comment directly. The kings definitely would need to add value.

Doesnt matter if he's younger, he's not a player that warrants picks of any kind coming back on his contract, even if the guy returning is equally bad.

It definitely matter he is younger. One player is close to retirement and the other just entering prime. I definitely think draft capital would be required. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

Entering prime matters if you’re planning on keeping the player as a building block long term. Otherwise, guys just so rarely play with the same team for 5+ years at this point in the nba. Are you willing to extend Barrett on his contract at a number his agency would approve? Then Ave doesn’t matter because he’s gone in two years anyway, and likely of your volition?

And teams aren’t going to acquire him to be a key building block for much the reason that Toronto likely wants to trade him. He’s just not quite building block material.

[jbk1234]

Toronto has never been a real player in free agency so any cap space really doesn't mean anything. So for Toronto the money doesn't mean anything.

Cap space is an asset and one that the Raptors don't have the ability to offer right now. If you can absorb extra salary or even players outright, you get to charge for that. Porzingis, for example, was worth more than what the Celtics got in return.

If the Raptors told me cap space didn't matter to them *because they weren't a free agent destination,* I'd say great let's add a bad smaller contract to DDR so that you're taking back more salary.

Or just keep the player 10 years younger barely starting to enter his prime. Demar just doesn't hold the same value.

I suspect the Kings would be just fine with that. If Raptors fans view Barrett as an asset, that's okay, but if they can't find a trade partner that agrees, the subjective evaluation doesn't really matter.

[gswhoops]

Is everyone forgetting RJ is a decade younger, and puts up almost better stats?? At least in rebounds and assists. Demar being expiring means nothing. Obviously Toronto hasn't been in cost cutting mode with the contracts they have been handing out.

Sorry, gswhoops. Not responding to your comment directly. The kings definitely would need to add value.

Doesnt matter if he's younger, he's not a player that warrants picks of any kind coming back on his contract, even if the guy returning is equally bad.

It definitely matter he is younger. One player is close to retirement and the other just entering prime. I definitely think draft capital would be required. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

You keep saying that his age matters as though it's self-evident, when it's really not. If I don't plan on building around a player, and in fact don't even really plan on re-signing that player once his current contract is up, why do I care if he's 24 or 34?

[Texas Chuck]

yeah age doesn't matter especially if you don't want to give a guy his next contract and Toronto should not want to. What matters is who represents better value on their current contract and its nearly impossible to make any kind of case for RJ over DeRozan. DD is just simply still a better basketball player on a more team friendly deal.

But again, there are reasons why RJ is being valued as he is that don't have anything to do with his actual play. And its why we see box score counting stats used as an attempt at justification. In 1995, saying a guy was 20/5/5 sounded great. We know in 2025 that doesn't really mean all that much.

[Godaddycurse]

Age still matters considering Demar has a real chance of decline in his age 35 and 36 seasons. He already took a small step backwards last year vs the years prior. His defense will only get worse as he age. RJ still has room for improvement over the remaining 2 years on his contract

[Texas Chuck]

Age still matters considering Demar has a real chance of decline in his age 35 and 36 seasons. He already took a small step backwards last year vs the years prior. His defense will only get worse as he age. RJ still has room for improvement over the remaining 2 years on his contract

Sure. Except we haven't seen growth from RJ except for that one short sample size post trade. DD continues to play every night at big, big minutes. When speaking in theory you can make the case that the 25 year old might improve and the 35 year old might decline rapidly. But with these specific players we see no growth in years from the 25 year old and no meaningful decline from the 35 year old.

So I think most teams would default to the superior player with the smaller financial commitment.

[Godaddycurse]

Age still matters considering Demar has a real chance of decline in his age 35 and 36 seasons. He already took a small step backwards last year vs the years prior. His defense will only get worse as he age. RJ still has room for improvement over the remaining 2 years on his contract

Sure. Except we haven't seen growth from RJ except for that one short sample size post trade. DD continues to play every night at big, big minutes. When speaking in theory you can make the case that the 25 year old might improve and the 35 year old might decline rapidly. But with these specific players we see no growth in years from the 25 year old and no meaningful decline from the 35 year old.

So I think most teams would default to the superior player with the smaller financial commitment.

go look at RJ's stats in NYK and then last year and a half in Toronto. Even ignoring the post trade half season he still made significant stride from straight up terrible to... slightly positive impact (ie still overpaid but at least playable)

He had career highs in:

FG%, eFG%, Reb%, AST%, On-Off and other stats

[BK_2020]

RJ is younger but is that worth giving up picks for?
Here are some parameters for RJ Barrett in 24-25:
63% from the line on 5.4 FTA per game
35% from the three (92.5% of attempts assisted)
62.4% at the rim (0-3 ft)
RJ Barrett is bad on defense, not a good passer, doesn't handle the ball particularly well, and he's not a threat to score from anywhere on the court, not even the free throw line.
If DDR declines and RJ improves a little, DDR will still be the better player. Either RJ will have to improve significantly, almost to a point where he's no longer himself, or DDR will have to completely wash out. Either way, it's bad process to give up picks hoping for outlier outcomes.

[LightTheBeam]

Ya I think this is simply dead. If the Raptors fans are arguing that Barrett is better & younger, well that team wants to compete now so they should keep him. They just committed to this core for 3 years, why "downgrade" even if you are getting a few 2nds?

The reality is both Toronto and Kings find themselves in a bad situation stuck paying overpaid/under performing players. I'm just glad ours expire faster and cost less lol.

[hugepatsfan]

I think DDR is the better player still. RJ is younger but the whole benefit of being younger is that they have longer to play and grow but that's irrelevant when both of the guys in question I'd want off my team as fast as possible.

[Tim Lehrbach]

Ya I think this is simply dead. If the Raptors fans are arguing that Barrett is better & younger, well that team wants to compete now so they should keep him. They just committed to this core for 3 years, why "downgrade" even if you are getting a few 2nds?

Exactly right. If the Raptors are fine with Barrett the player and Barrett the contract, they won't offer him up for DDR and seconds. I think the OP and a couple other Raptors fans here are giving away their true feelings by trying to sell Barrett, whereas if they truly wanted to keep him around they'd just be shooting this down with prejudice.