Kuminga for O’Neal & Fleming

[Wizenheimer]

starting to look like Kuminga may play for his QO this season and become UFA next season

[gswhoops]

Copy & pasting this from another thread:

Shams and Slater put out an article with some interesting tidits re: Kuminga this morning: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45859355/sources-jonathan-kuminga-declining-warriors-offer-terms

Some highlights:

Kuminga and Turner have used July to explore their sign-and-trade options. The most significant negotiations have been with the Sacramento Kings and Phoenix Suns, getting proposals up to four years approaching $90 million total, including a player option for the final season, sources said. Phoenix has made the most lucrative push via sign-and-trade.

The Warriors have been uninterested in the trade returns from the Kings and Suns for Kuminga, sources said. In recent days, they have begun signaling a plan to cut off sign-and-trade conversations entirely, using their restricted free agency leverage to the fullest, sources said. Their current stance is that Kuminga will be on the Warriors' roster to begin next season -- either through their two-year offer on the table or the standing $7.9 million one-year qualifying offer, whichever is Kuminga's preferred path.

Kuminga prefers the longer-term offers presented by the Kings and Suns because he believes they signify a fresh start, a larger guaranteed role, a promised starting position and a greater level of respect and career control, shown in part through the player option, sources said. Phoenix's proposal is also nearly $70 million more guaranteed than the Warriors' offer.

I'm not sure how Phoenix's offer is $70m more than GSW's if we're offering $40m and the top offer is $90m, but Shams' articles tend to be a bit fast and loose with the details

[Crives]

Copy & pasting this from another thread:

Shams and Slater put out an article with some interesting tidits re: Kuminga this morning: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45859355/sources-jonathan-kuminga-declining-warriors-offer-terms

Some highlights:

Kuminga and Turner have used July to explore their sign-and-trade options. The most significant negotiations have been with the Sacramento Kings and Phoenix Suns, getting proposals up to four years approaching $90 million total, including a player option for the final season, sources said. Phoenix has made the most lucrative push via sign-and-trade.

The Warriors have been uninterested in the trade returns from the Kings and Suns for Kuminga, sources said. In recent days, they have begun signaling a plan to cut off sign-and-trade conversations entirely, using their restricted free agency leverage to the fullest, sources said. Their current stance is that Kuminga will be on the Warriors' roster to begin next season -- either through their two-year offer on the table or the standing $7.9 million one-year qualifying offer, whichever is Kuminga's preferred path.

Kuminga prefers the longer-term offers presented by the Kings and Suns because he believes they signify a fresh start, a larger guaranteed role, a promised starting position and a greater level of respect and career control, shown in part through the player option, sources said. Phoenix's proposal is also nearly $70 million more guaranteed than the Warriors' offer.

I'm not sure how Phoenix's offer is $70m more than GSW's if we're offering $40m and the top offer is $90m, but Shams' articles tend to be a bit fast and loose with the details

Team option.

[gswhoops]

Copy & pasting this from another thread:

Shams and Slater put out an article with some interesting tidits re: Kuminga this morning: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45859355/sources-jonathan-kuminga-declining-warriors-offer-terms

Some highlights:

I'm not sure how Phoenix's offer is $70m more than GSW's if we're offering $40m and the top offer is $90m, but Shams' articles tend to be a bit fast and loose with the details

Team option.

Duh, thanks.

[Crives]

I will say I am a bit surprised the Warriors wouldn’t be interested in Grayson Allen + Nick Richard’s. I get the horford interest but that’s a really old team. Grayson Allen is a really good player.

[gswhoops]

I will say I am a bit surprised the Warriors wouldn’t be interested in Grayson Allen + Nick Richard’s. I get the horford interest but that’s a really old team. Grayson Allen is a really good player.

I don't think the problem is with Allen the player - I think the issue is that if we take back more than half of whatever Kuminga's first year salary is on his new deal, we're hardcapped at the first apron and it's a pretty tight squeeze to get Allen, Horford, and fill out the rest of the roster (and I hope for your sake that PHX isn't looking at paying Kuminga a starting salary of $30M+ per year)

I'd personally be fine with something like

O'Neale and 2nds to GS
Kuminga to PHX
Richards to (third team for cap space/TPE)

[parsnips33]

God I really hope this is posturing, I want the guy off the team ASAP

[Crives]

I will say I am a bit surprised the Warriors wouldn’t be interested in Grayson Allen + Nick Richard’s. I get the horford interest but that’s a really old team. Grayson Allen is a really good player.

I don't think the problem is with Allen the player - I think the issue is that if we take back more than half of whatever Kuminga's first year salary is on his new deal, we're hardcapped at the first apron and it's a pretty tight squeeze to get Allen, Horford, and fill out the rest of the roster (and I hope for your sake that PHX isn't looking at paying Kuminga a starting salary of $30M+ per year)

I'd personally be fine with something like

O'Neale and 2nds to GS
Kuminga to PHX
Richards to (third team for cap space/TPE)

I just don’t get why you wouldn’t want Richard’s over horford? You guys are going to be so old.

[gswhoops]

I will say I am a bit surprised the Warriors wouldn’t be interested in Grayson Allen + Nick Richard’s. I get the horford interest but that’s a really old team. Grayson Allen is a really good player.

I don't think the problem is with Allen the player - I think the issue is that if we take back more than half of whatever Kuminga's first year salary is on his new deal, we're hardcapped at the first apron and it's a pretty tight squeeze to get Allen, Horford, and fill out the rest of the roster (and I hope for your sake that PHX isn't looking at paying Kuminga a starting salary of $30M+ per year)

I'd personally be fine with something like

O'Neale and 2nds to GS
Kuminga to PHX
Richards to (third team for cap space/TPE)

I just don’t get why you wouldn’t want Richard’s over horford? You guys are going to be so old.

Horford brings a critical spacing component to the floor that we need with Jimmy/Draymond. Even with Steph, a lineup with 3 non-spacers just isn't viable in today's NBA

[hugepatsfan]

I will say I am a bit surprised the Warriors wouldn’t be interested in Grayson Allen + Nick Richard’s. I get the horford interest but that’s a really old team. Grayson Allen is a really good player.

I don't think the problem is with Allen the player - I think the issue is that if we take back more than half of whatever Kuminga's first year salary is on his new deal, we're hardcapped at the first apron and it's a pretty tight squeeze to get Allen, Horford, and fill out the rest of the roster (and I hope for your sake that PHX isn't looking at paying Kuminga a starting salary of $30M+ per year)

I'd personally be fine with something like

O'Neale and 2nds to GS
Kuminga to PHX
Richards to (third team for cap space/TPE)

I just don’t get why you wouldn’t want Richard’s over horford? You guys are going to be so old.

Because Horford is still a really good player and Richards is not currently nor has he ever been one.

[gswhoops]

I don't think the problem is with Allen the player - I think the issue is that if we take back more than half of whatever Kuminga's first year salary is on his new deal, we're hardcapped at the first apron and it's a pretty tight squeeze to get Allen, Horford, and fill out the rest of the roster (and I hope for your sake that PHX isn't looking at paying Kuminga a starting salary of $30M+ per year)

I'd personally be fine with something like

O'Neale and 2nds to GS
Kuminga to PHX
Richards to (third team for cap space/TPE)

I just don’t get why you wouldn’t want Richard’s over horford? You guys are going to be so old.

Because Horford is still a really good player and Richards is not currently nor has he ever been one.

Yeah, also this.

[gswhoops]

Cross posting:

More updates from ESPN today (videos, via Reddit)

Sacramento has offered a "rotation player" and a protected 1st for Kuminga, GSW is holding out for an unprotected 1st (https://www.reddit.com/r/warriors/comments/1mdflgi/charania_the_sacramento_kings_have_offered_the/)

Phoenix has offered Royce O'Neale, Nick Richards, and 4 2nd round picks for Kuminga, Kuminga prefers Sacramento (who has supposedly promised him a starting role) (https://www.reddit.com/r/warriors/comments/1mdfxib/spears_the_phoenix_suns_have_offered_a_trade/)

[Crives]

Maybe phx is offering pick swap elsewhere to add more 2nds.. I think they only have 1 second left..

[gswhoops]

Maybe phx is offering pick swap elsewhere to add more 2nds.. I think they only have 1 second left..

Honestly Royce is the big get for me. He'd look nice as our backup 3/4, basically replacing Kuminga's minutes.

[Crives]

Maybe phx is offering pick swap elsewhere to add more 2nds.. I think they only have 1 second left..

Honestly Royce is the big get for me. He'd look nice as our backup 3/4, basically replacing Kuminga's minutes.

He is a Kerr player. Good passer. Good defender. Can shoot.

[parsnips33]

Maybe phx is offering pick swap elsewhere to add more 2nds.. I think they only have 1 second left..

Honestly Royce is the big get for me. He'd look nice as our backup 3/4, basically replacing Kuminga's minutes.

This is such a no-brainer to me, what are we even doing