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Re: Indiana - GSW - Dallas - Sacramento - Utah 

Post#21 » by Wizop » Wed Aug 13, 2025 7:03 pm

if TJD is on the move, I'd rather bring him home than take on Gafford or Slo-Mo.
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Re: Indiana - GSW - Dallas - Sacramento - Utah 

Post#22 » by SkyHook » Wed Aug 13, 2025 7:10 pm

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I think the current 2027 pick is projected in the mid 20s so its worth kicking back to see if it could be worth more in the future

That's valid thinking, but also a lot can happen in two years. There's no lottery cap on the Jazz 2027 2nd worst pick, all four could be lottery picks (unlikely, but still), but the SAC pick in your proposal tops out at #15 or becomes a "worst of" a year later. It's probably sixes to me now, maybe 60-40 that the Kings pick is the better one in the end.


If we're supposing that all 4 picks could be in the lotto this year, we could also supposed that in 2031, Sacramento and Minnesota could end up 1 and 2 in the lotto, so it could be the 2nd overall pick conveying.... while a 2nd worst of 4 teams could only end up maxing out at 3rd... :dontknow:

:lol:

Of course, everything is up in the air. I'm just saying that you can't pigeonhole that 2027 pick in the mid-20s or anywhere else this far out.
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Re: Indiana - GSW - Dallas - Sacramento - Utah 

Post#23 » by gswhoops » Wed Aug 13, 2025 7:16 pm

Wizop wrote:if TJD is on the move, I'd rather bring him home than take on Gafford or Slo-Mo.

I don't hate the idea of a Kuminga/Monk/Gafford deal; I'm not sure how that gets TJD to Indy but I'm open to thoughts
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Re: Indiana - GSW - Dallas - Sacramento - Utah 

Post#24 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Aug 13, 2025 7:20 pm

SkyHook wrote:
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SkyHook wrote:That's valid thinking, but also a lot can happen in two years. There's no lottery cap on the Jazz 2027 2nd worst pick, all four could be lottery picks (unlikely, but still), but the SAC pick in your proposal tops out at #15 or becomes a "worst of" a year later. It's probably sixes to me now, maybe 60-40 that the Kings pick is the better one in the end.


If we're supposing that all 4 picks could be in the lotto this year, we could also supposed that in 2031, Sacramento and Minnesota could end up 1 and 2 in the lotto, so it could be the 2nd overall pick conveying.... while a 2nd worst of 4 teams could only end up maxing out at 3rd... :dontknow:

:lol:

Of course, everything is up in the air. I'm just saying that you can't pigeonhole that 2027 pick in the mid-20s or anywhere else this far out.


Sure. To me, the value is moreso in that Utah has 3 1st round picks in that draft currently, while it only has their own pick in the 2030 1st in the 2030 draft. Just a better balance of draft assets?
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Re: Indiana - GSW - Dallas - Sacramento - Utah 

Post#25 » by LightTheBeam » Wed Aug 13, 2025 8:07 pm

What about something far simpler

Monk to Dallas
Gafford to Indy
Powell + Toppin to Sac

add 2nds wherever you think fit.

Kings refuse to tank and Toppin right now is better than Kuminga, and a far better fit with the roster.
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Re: Indiana - GSW - Dallas - Sacramento - Utah 

Post#26 » by SkyHook » Wed Aug 13, 2025 8:59 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
SkyHook wrote:
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If we're supposing that all 4 picks could be in the lotto this year, we could also supposed that in 2031, Sacramento and Minnesota could end up 1 and 2 in the lotto, so it could be the 2nd overall pick conveying.... while a 2nd worst of 4 teams could only end up maxing out at 3rd... :dontknow:

:lol:

Of course, everything is up in the air. I'm just saying that you can't pigeonhole that 2027 pick in the mid-20s or anywhere else this far out.


Sure. To me, the value is moreso in that Utah has 3 1st round picks in that draft currently, while it only has their own pick in the 2030 1st in the 2030 draft. Just a better balance of draft assets?

That makes some sense too. For me it just comes down to what the value difference is between the two. It's marginal, I'd lean towards one SRP, maybe someone rates it as much as much as two. Two is what the Jazz received for taking on Niang's expiring deal (each are the best of two picks). My guess is that for taking on 2026-27 money, which Utah has avoided in every transaction so far this summer, the demanded cost will be higher.

But maybe not, who knows. Cheers! :beer:
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Re: Indiana - GSW - Dallas - Sacramento - Utah 

Post#27 » by basketballwacko2 » Wed Aug 13, 2025 9:40 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:GSW out: Kuminga (S&T), TJD
GSW in: Toppins, 2nd worst of UTAH/CLE/MINN/LAL 2027 1st

Indiana out: Toppins, Bradley
Indiana in: Gafford, Anderson

Dallas out: Gafford, Hardy, Powell
Dallas in: Monk, TJD, Bradley, SAC 2027 2nd

Sacramento out: Monk, 2030 LP 1st, becomes 2031 lesser of SAC/MINN 1st if not conveyed, SAC 2027 2nd
Sacramento in: Kuminga (S&T)

Utah out: Anderson, 2nd worst of 2027 1st (out of UTAH/CLE/MINN/LAL)
Utah in: Hardy, Powell SAC 2030 LP 1st, becomes 2031 lesser of SAC/MINN 1st if not conveyed

Why for GSW: add a cost controlled 3rd big and a pick for kuminga
Why for Indiana: upgrade C rotation and get back a bench forward
Why for Dallas: upgrade playmaking/scoring, also get a cheap/young 3rd big
Why for Utah: exchange a likely late pick for future one with bit higher variance
Why for Sacramento: get kuminga as rumored
Why for Kuminga: freedom

add 2nd(s) if needed

horford/post
green/toppins
butler/moody
podz/hield
curry/melton

gafford/huff
siakam/anderson
nesmith/walker
mathurin/sheppard
nembhard/mcconnell

Lively/(AD)/TJD
AD/PJ
Flagg/Marshall
Klay/Christie
Monk/Russell

Sabonis
kuminga
murray
lavine
Ellis (or Carter)



This is a little too big to get my head around it. But I don't think the Pacers would trade Toppin at this point for this return. Also I think the Pacers take too much salary for the 25-26 season.

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