Jaylen Brown to MEM

[redslastlaugh]

I agree.

Memphis has a smart front office and a new coach with a strong reputation as a tactician. Unless the new coach just stinks (not bloody likely), seems like you add JB to what they've got and that's a top 4 seed most years over this pick window. And that's just not that appealing.

I have heard Cedric Maxwell say Boston likes Santi quite a bit, but not as the main return coming back for the 2024 Finals MVP who doesnt turn 29 for a few months.

MEM has that nice (2nd best of WAS/PHX) 2026 pick from the Bane trade that has a strong chance at landing 2-10 in next years draft, but OP is not dangling it in this proposal. I think Boston would want that pick, but it's somewhat besides the point, because I don't think Boston wants to trade JB any time soon

I'd pass. There's not a single premium asset coming back. Or even one of the young prospects. Aldama is the best thing in here. BOS needs at least one better win now guy and a young guy with potential to consider moving JB. I get that his contract is reprehensible to some, but this isn't the deal that gets BOS to pull the trigger.

[BK_2020]

I agree.

Memphis has a smart front office and a new coach with a strong reputation as a tactician. Unless the new coach just stinks (not bloody likely), seems like you add JB to what they've got and that's a top 4 seed most years over this pick window. And that's just not that appealing.

I have heard Cedric Maxwell say Boston likes Santi quite a bit, but not as the main return coming back for the 2024 Finals MVP who doesnt turn 29 for a few months.

MEM has that nice (2nd best of WAS/PHX) 2026 pick from the Bane trade that has a strong chance at landing 2-10 in next years draft, but OP is not dangling it in this proposal. I think Boston would want that pick, but it's somewhat besides the point, because I don't think Boston wants to trade JB any time soon

I'd pass. There's not a single premium asset coming back. Or even one of the young prospects. Aldama is the best thing in here. BOS needs at least one better win now guy and a young guy with potential to consider moving JB. I get that his contract is reprehensible to some, but this isn't the deal that gets BOS to pull the trigger.

He turns 29 in less than two months.

[redslastlaugh]

I agree.

Memphis has a smart front office and a new coach with a strong reputation as a tactician. Unless the new coach just stinks (not bloody likely), seems like you add JB to what they've got and that's a top 4 seed most years over this pick window. And that's just not that appealing.

I have heard Cedric Maxwell say Boston likes Santi quite a bit, but not as the main return coming back for the 2024 Finals MVP who doesnt turn 29 for a few months.

MEM has that nice (2nd best of WAS/PHX) 2026 pick from the Bane trade that has a strong chance at landing 2-10 in next years draft, but OP is not dangling it in this proposal. I think Boston would want that pick, but it's somewhat besides the point, because I don't think Boston wants to trade JB any time soon

I'd pass. There's not a single premium asset coming back. Or even one of the young prospects. Aldama is the best thing in here. BOS needs at least one better win now guy and a young guy with potential to consider moving JB. I get that his contract is reprehensible to some, but this isn't the deal that gets BOS to pull the trigger.

He turns 29 in less than two months.

oh okay, so he will be 29 in less than 2 months, and naturally 29 yrs old this season. 29 is prime age for a wing, imo

[hugepatsfan]

I just don't see the appetite on BOS's part to break it up. "Retooling" around Tatum with young players and picks is enticing because of the upside, but what about the known quantity of Brown?

End of the day, BOS has been to the conf. finals in 4 of the last 6 years with those two as head of the roster type guys (5 of 8 if you go back to when they were younger, but probably not as representative). The two years they didn't make it...

1) the weird post-bubble year where all of the teams that went as far as BOS did also fell off hard. Also, Brown didn't even play in the playoffs that year anyway where they lost in the 1st round. Also, it was a weird transition year with Kemba post-injury and Hayward having left for a large TPE that they hadn't fully used yet.

2) Last year, where they blew 2 20 point leads in the 2nd half of games 1 and 2. That's not to say NYK winning was a fluke or that they didn't earn it or anything like that... it's just that blowing back to back 20 point leads at home in the playoffs is kind of an absurdity. It just is.

So all in all, why break up what is a tried and true formula. Tatum and Brown (and White) are all signed for what should be pretty much all prime years over the next 4 (White a little older, Tatum obviously has a recovery timeline, but relatively speaking no super imminent age concerns for their contract terms). Beyond that core, they have pretty much all of their picks (one sent out to POR in 2029, a potential swap owed to SA in 2028), a few good role players on good value deals in Pritchard/Hauser, a few rookie scale 1st rounders that you hope develop to some degree, and good long term tax position. I just fail to see how trading a way a star and retooling later is a better strategy than just keeping what they have and trying to get better 4th and 5th starters to go with their core 3.

[BK_2020]

I just don't see the appetite on BOS's part to break it up. "Retooling" around Tatum with young players and picks is enticing because of the upside, but what about the known quantity of Brown?

End of the day, BOS has been to the conf. finals in 4 of the last 6 years with those two as head of the roster type guys (5 of 8 if you go back to when they were younger, but probably not as representative). The two years they didn't make it...

1) the weird post-bubble year where all of the teams that went as far as BOS did also fell off hard. Also, Brown didn't even play in the playoffs that year anyway where they lost in the 1st round. Also, it was a weird transition year with Kemba post-injury and Hayward having left for a large TPE that they hadn't fully used yet.

2) Last year, where they blew 2 20 point leads in the 2nd half of games 1 and 2. That's not to say NYK winning was a fluke or that they didn't earn it or anything like that... it's just that blowing back to back 20 point leads at home in the playoffs is kind of an absurdity. It just is.

So all in all, why break up what is a tried and true formula. Tatum and Brown (and White) are all signed for what should be pretty much all prime years over the next 4 (White a little older, Tatum obviously has a recovery timeline, but relatively speaking no super imminent age concerns for their contract terms). Beyond that core, they have pretty much all of their picks (one sent out to POR in 2029, a potential swap owed to SA in 2028), a few good role players on good value deals in Pritchard/Hauser, a few rookie scale 1st rounders that you hope develop to some degree, and good long term tax position. I just fail to see how trading a way a star and retooling later is a better strategy than just keeping what they have and trying to get better 4th and 5th starters to go with their core 3.

It's a better strategy since Brown is overpaid by a significant amount and is replaceable with a cheaper player or a collection of cheaper players. Also, for the Grizzlies, getting a Brown makes sense since they have a high-level scoring guard and an All-Defense big but they need a wing who's not targettable on defense, can sometimes make people pay for being left open from three, and can sometimes create own offense against mismatches. Boston already has a wing who does all that at a much higher level and can allocate that supermax money to smalls or bigs.
And if Tatum can't return to being that wing, they need to tear it up anyway.

[djFan71]

I don't see BOS trading JB, but something like:

Aldama, KCP, Wells, Pippen Jr and picks for Brown and Tillman.
Push the picks back a year 2027 1st, 2029 1st, 2030 via ORL, 2031 1st.

That fills BOS' 2029 hole and makes trades easier.

Seems like (and is) a lot, but that's the kind of offer it would take, imo.
Maaaaaybe could exclude the 2030 ORL pick or replace Pippen Jr w/ Vince.

[QMemphis]

Aside from Lauri I doubt we go after any guy with that big a contract. Doubt we go after Lauri as well but his number is more feasible than Jaylen.

[snowman]

DOA from Boston's side.

[Daddy 801]

I feel like if Memphis wanted Brown they would have already reached out to Boston regarding Bane when it happened. I also believe Boston would have preferred Bane to this package, which makes me question the desires for both sides.

Agree.

I see Brown as an upgrade on Bane -- but paid more for his services. The thing is, if MEM was not willing to pay roughly 75% of the cap for 3 max players (Morant-JJJ-Bane), why would it pivot to paying 85% of the cape for a slightly better trio (Morant-JJJ-Brown) while stripping a bunch of their depth?

As for BOS, I don't see it at all.

Bane is awesome, but I think Brown fits better than Bane. While I would say this has 1% chance of being a real deal it makes sense to me from both teams perspective. Boston gets pics and tanks for a season (plus get off Browns not so great contract), and Memphis goes all in on a guy who has been on a championship team and has extremely high character….which it seems wise to surround Ja with that type of player.

[Patsfan1081]

I dont think Brown is much of an upgrade. seem like pretty similar caliber players to me. Do agree directionally doesnt make sense for either team

I've got Brown as a much better defender

ive got bane as better on offense

Even in Boston Brown is still getting a ton of disrespect. A finals mvp and second team all nba and people still don’t consider him a star player. Banes can’t create his own shot nearly as well, which enables Brown to have a very good midrange game on top of other things. There will be a glaring difference this season when Brown’s usg jumps and Bane’s drops. Can’t see Boston dismantling the team anyways year one into new ownership.

[Patsfan1081]

I just don't see the appetite on BOS's part to break it up. "Retooling" around Tatum with young players and picks is enticing because of the upside, but what about the known quantity of Brown?

End of the day, BOS has been to the conf. finals in 4 of the last 6 years with those two as head of the roster type guys (5 of 8 if you go back to when they were younger, but probably not as representative). The two years they didn't make it...

1) the weird post-bubble year where all of the teams that went as far as BOS did also fell off hard. Also, Brown didn't even play in the playoffs that year anyway where they lost in the 1st round. Also, it was a weird transition year with Kemba post-injury and Hayward having left for a large TPE that they hadn't fully used yet.

2) Last year, where they blew 2 20 point leads in the 2nd half of games 1 and 2. That's not to say NYK winning was a fluke or that they didn't earn it or anything like that... it's just that blowing back to back 20 point leads at home in the playoffs is kind of an absurdity. It just is.

So all in all, why break up what is a tried and true formula. Tatum and Brown (and White) are all signed for what should be pretty much all prime years over the next 4 (White a little older, Tatum obviously has a recovery timeline, but relatively speaking no super imminent age concerns for their contract terms). Beyond that core, they have pretty much all of their picks (one sent out to POR in 2029, a potential swap owed to SA in 2028), a few good role players on good value deals in Pritchard/Hauser, a few rookie scale 1st rounders that you hope develop to some degree, and good long term tax position. I just fail to see how trading a way a star and retooling later is a better strategy than just keeping what they have and trying to get better 4th and 5th starters to go with their core 3.

It's a better strategy since Brown is overpaid by a significant amount and is replaceable with a cheaper player or a collection of cheaper players. Also, for the Grizzlies, getting a Brown makes sense since they have a high-level scoring guard and an All-Defense big but they need a wing who's not targettable on defense, can sometimes make people pay for being left open from three, and can sometimes create own offense against mismatches. Boston already has a wing who does all that at a much higher level and can allocate that supermax money to smalls or bigs.
And if Tatum can't return to being that wing, they need to tear it up anyway.

Which cheaper players are replacing Brown’s production , not to mention his clutch play of late? This isn’t football where you can make up for having a bad back if you have a good line, only five players are on the court at a time. Also a “ significant over pay” is a stretch. You don’t hear anyone complaining nearly as much about say Booker or KAT, who have the exact same contract. In another year there will be another class eligible for the max, as long as that max player is giving you all star production it’s difficult to complain.