Charlotte & Chicago

[tcheco]

There was some talks that Spurs were super into drafting Salaun with their second pick and decided to trade it when Charlotte got him, I wonder if it was true.

ChatGPT failed to find a single player with similar stats with real minutes in their rookie season that managed to become a serviceable nba player lol

[yosemiteben]

There was some talks that Spurs were super into drafting Salaun with their second pick and decided to trade it when Charlotte got him, I wonder if it was true.

ChatGPT failed to find a single player with similar stats with real minutes in their rookie season that managed to become a serviceable nba player lol

How many 18 year old international development projects get NBA rotation minutes at all?

[ReggiesKnicks]

There was some talks that Spurs were super into drafting Salaun with their second pick and decided to trade it when Charlotte got him, I wonder if it was true.

ChatGPT failed to find a single player with similar stats with real minutes in their rookie season that managed to become a serviceable nba player lol

How many 18 year old international development projects get NBA rotation minutes at all?

18? He was 19 during the entirety of his rookie season, including training camp

[yosemiteben]

ChatGPT failed to find a single player with similar stats with real minutes in their rookie season that managed to become a serviceable nba player lol

How many 18 year old international development projects get NBA rotation minutes at all?

18? He was 19 during the entirety of his rookie season, including training camp

Ah, ok just 18 when drafted

Same question applies.

He wasn't supposed to be seeing rotations minutes, he had to due to our injuries.

[HornetJail]

There was some talks that Spurs were super into drafting Salaun with their second pick and decided to trade it when Charlotte got him, I wonder if it was true.

I refuse to believe it was anything but a smokescreen. or maybe there was some underlying interest there if they had traded back to 15-20 or something.

[ReggiesKnicks]

How many 18 year old international development projects get NBA rotation minutes at all?

18? He was 19 during the entirety of his rookie season, including training camp

Ah, ok just 18 when drafted

Same question applies.

The burden of proof is on you. Saluan may have been the worst NBA player ever last year.

[Godaddycurse]

18? He was 19 during the entirety of his rookie season, including training camp

Ah, ok just 18 when drafted

Same question applies.

The burden of proof is on you. Saluan may have been the worst NBA player ever last year.

Wasnt cody williams worse?

[yosemiteben]

18? He was 19 during the entirety of his rookie season, including training camp

Ah, ok just 18 when drafted

Same question applies.

The burden of proof is on you. Saluan may have been the worst NBA player ever last year.

He wasn't supposed to play, so that doesn't bother me as much as you seem to think it should. Again, he was a very young development project that only played because he had to due to injuries. He wasn't ready and it showed.

[tcheco]

Ah, ok just 18 when drafted

Same question applies.

The burden of proof is on you. Saluan may have been the worst NBA player ever last year.

He wasn't supposed to play, so that doesn't bother me as much as you seem to think it should. Again, he was a very young development project that only played because he had to due to injuries. He wasn't ready and it showed.

Dont get me wrong, I'm always willing to give the benefit of the doubt for young players, but looking back on stats overall, hard to find someone that comes close to his stats being an lottery pick + his stats in his first season.

While I don't think he is done, its crazy to think that after 1 season, I do believe that is fair to have his value as neutral right now, I can see a team with cap space taking him in for free, but that just means Charlotte will keep him around for his rookie contract since they are not competing any time soon.

the only player with similar stats, age, minutes given GPT was able to find was Exum, and it took him a few years to become a rotational piece(still never averaged 10ppg ever)

[Billl]

I think Saluan is going to be a bust, but really, that was a masterclass in how NOT to develop a young player. As a pistons fan, we did that too many times over the last decade with similar results. If you put a guy in over his head, he's not going to make the progress you want. You need to put him in a role he can actually do and then work on the rest in practice. Even if that is just "You are getting 5 minutes and I want you to rebound like your life depends on it." And yes, they had injuries, but that's not really an excuse. They weren't trying to win and the only goal was player development, so you still have to keep him on the right developmental path.

[Trey24]

I have Salaun as a worse value than Connaughton.

i feel like there are tanking teams out there that wouldnt mind taking a flier on salaun for capspace/exception. dont see anyone willing to take on PatC

i'd personally be surprised if Salaun was neutral value. if he was the 36th pick instead of the 6th, he would never have been converted off a two-way contract and would be back in France already. if he was cut tomorrow, I have my doubts he would receive a two-way contract from an NBA team

that said, there's no way Jeff Peterson cuts ties with his first ever draft pick so quickly

You are being incredibly harsh on a raw 19 year old prospect that was drafted as a project and has already shown a ton of growth in his game. Writing him off as negative value and someone to just give up on at this point is laughable for a franchise in the Hornets position

[HornetJail]

i feel like there are tanking teams out there that wouldnt mind taking a flier on salaun for capspace/exception. dont see anyone willing to take on PatC

i'd personally be surprised if Salaun was neutral value. if he was the 36th pick instead of the 6th, he would never have been converted off a two-way contract and would be back in France already. if he was cut tomorrow, I have my doubts he would receive a two-way contract from an NBA team

that said, there's no way Jeff Peterson cuts ties with his first ever draft pick so quickly

You are being incredibly harsh on a raw 19 year old prospect that was drafted as a project and has already shown a ton of growth in his game. Writing him off as negative value and someone to just give up on at this point is laughable for a franchise in the Hornets position

we are clearly watching different Salaun's

[Trey24]

i'd personally be surprised if Salaun was neutral value. if he was the 36th pick instead of the 6th, he would never have been converted off a two-way contract and would be back in France already. if he was cut tomorrow, I have my doubts he would receive a two-way contract from an NBA team

that said, there's no way Jeff Peterson cuts ties with his first ever draft pick so quickly

You are being incredibly harsh on a raw 19 year old prospect that was drafted as a project and has already shown a ton of growth in his game. Writing him off as negative value and someone to just give up on at this point is laughable for a franchise in the Hornets position

we are clearly watching different Salaun's

Through different lenses for sure. I think he has a lot of promise but has a ways to go. I like his defensive upside a lot.

[GoBobs]

Normally I would never recommend trading a high pick after his rookie year, but Salaun was comically bad. I still would wait, but there were games, that he clearly looked out of place on an NBA floor, like he got lost, and just wandered in off the street.

yeah unfortunately it was pretty much all of them. I can literally pinpoint one moment in the entire season in which he legitimately looked like an NBA player. he had about a 5 minute stretch in a game against the Cavs where he played decent defense and hit a couple ridiculous threes that he usually airmails. It stands out so vividly because the other 1000+ minutes he got were among the worst I have ever seen in my 20+ years following the NBA and the Bobcats/Hornets.

He needed to be glued to the D-League the entire season, but due to injuries, he pretty much had to play because we ran out of PFs and C basically immediately after the season started. The thing is, I'm usually really patient with rookies that show basically anything. But Salaun has shown zero reasons to even get excited for the future. I fail to see even a best case scenario where he is as good as Patrick Williams is. It's closer to Davis Bertans minus the laser shooting. And there just isn't a point in even waiting his entire rookie contract for him to get there.

It's the most head scratching draft pick I've ever seen as a fan of this team, and that says a lot

LOL. I was trying to be nice, and you were even more ruthless.

In any event, do you think there is any chance he could eventually pan out? Some players take time to really get into a groove. Salaun though, just didn't move like an NBA player to me. Like an actor portraying an athlete.

You see any hope?

There is a chance he can be good. It just isn't really a good chance.

Shooting is probably the one thing you can point to as an NBA skill. Bertans, Duncan Robinson, Kelly Oubre are probably possible outcomes, more towards the upper end of his possible outcomes.

He isn't a good defender, but he hustles, and can be ok sometimes in a Josh Green, kind of bothering way.

[zeebneeb]

yeah unfortunately it was pretty much all of them. I can literally pinpoint one moment in the entire season in which he legitimately looked like an NBA player. he had about a 5 minute stretch in a game against the Cavs where he played decent defense and hit a couple ridiculous threes that he usually airmails. It stands out so vividly because the other 1000+ minutes he got were among the worst I have ever seen in my 20+ years following the NBA and the Bobcats/Hornets.

He needed to be glued to the D-League the entire season, but due to injuries, he pretty much had to play because we ran out of PFs and C basically immediately after the season started. The thing is, I'm usually really patient with rookies that show basically anything. But Salaun has shown zero reasons to even get excited for the future. I fail to see even a best case scenario where he is as good as Patrick Williams is. It's closer to Davis Bertans minus the laser shooting. And there just isn't a point in even waiting his entire rookie contract for him to get there.

It's the most head scratching draft pick I've ever seen as a fan of this team, and that says a lot

LOL. I was trying to be nice, and you were even more ruthless.

In any event, do you think there is any chance he could eventually pan out? Some players take time to really get into a groove. Salaun though, just didn't move like an NBA player to me. Like an actor portraying an athlete.

You see any hope?

There is a chance he can be good. It just isn't really a good chance.

Shooting is probably the one thing you can point to as an NBA skill. Bertans, Duncan Robinson, Kelly Oubre are probably possible outcomes, more towards the upper end of his possible outcomes.

He isn't a good defender, but he hustles, and can be ok sometimes in a Josh Green, kind of bothering way.

At least there is a glimmer then. I will never root for any of these kids to fail, but I'm not gonna blow smoke when a player just looks off.

[HornetJail]

LOL. I was trying to be nice, and you were even more ruthless.

In any event, do you think there is any chance he could eventually pan out? Some players take time to really get into a groove. Salaun though, just didn't move like an NBA player to me. Like an actor portraying an athlete.

You see any hope?

There is a chance he can be good. It just isn't really a good chance.

Shooting is probably the one thing you can point to as an NBA skill. Bertans, Duncan Robinson, Kelly Oubre are probably possible outcomes, more towards the upper end of his possible outcomes.

He isn't a good defender, but he hustles, and can be ok sometimes in a Josh Green, kind of bothering way.

At least there is a glimmer then. I will never root for any of these kids to fail, but I'm not gonna blow smoke when a player just looks off.

if the "glimmer" is that he could become a good 3-point shooter (shot 28% as a rookie) or a good defender (he is anything but, although he tries)

my main problem with all this, is sitting through what is likely to be 2-3 years of absolutely miserable basketball, only to get Davis Bertans or Josh Green at the end of it, if we're lucky

[Michaellam1987]

The Bulls have
Giddey
Jones
White
Huerter
Dosunmu
Carter

why on God's Green Earth do they need another guard?
yes Salaun looks like a prospect, the Bulls have Buzelis as the face of the franchise and just drafted Noa Essengue, with Isaac Okoro and Julian Phillips around and if they keep Vucevic they might as well play Jalen Smith some at the 4

Chicago doesn't need anyone.

Josh Green is a better defender than Giddey, White, and Jones. The reality is, none of these players are good at guarding the better 2's and 3's of the league. Green is a body where you are at least not dead to rights when defending those tiers of players.

Furthermore, the Bulls are shedding future salary commitments for a player who, by all accounts, hasn't shown meaningful improvement in 5 years. The most likely situation where Patrick Williams actually improves is in a city other than Chicago.

As a DAL fan, who watched quite a lot of Green, I can tell you that Green is okay defensively only, he works hard, but his basketball IQ is really not high. The best way to use him is to run, and fast break point, or corner 3. Defensively, use him on some quick okay offensive guard. 8M is more his fair value, so his existing contract is a negative value contract. With that being said, dumping William and his contracts is lot more attractive, from CHI's view, in which CHA should decline, unless they really see something on him, that can work in CHA.

[zeebneeb]

There is a chance he can be good. It just isn't really a good chance.

Shooting is probably the one thing you can point to as an NBA skill. Bertans, Duncan Robinson, Kelly Oubre are probably possible outcomes, more towards the upper end of his possible outcomes.

He isn't a good defender, but he hustles, and can be ok sometimes in a Josh Green, kind of bothering way.

At least there is a glimmer then. I will never root for any of these kids to fail, but I'm not gonna blow smoke when a player just looks off.

if the "glimmer" is that he could become a good 3-point shooter (shot 28% as a rookie) or a good defender (he is anything but, although he tries)

my main problem with all this, is sitting through what is likely to be 2-3 years of absolutely miserable basketball, only to get Davis Bertans or Josh Green at the end of it, if we're lucky

I feel ya. We as Piston fans had the same issue with Killian Hayes. (7th pick) Maybe Salaun will be dangled in a trade, with the shiny "6th pick" and "potential" put in the forefront, to get anything back.

It sucks, when it becomes obvious the player isn't gonna work out, but you've still got time, if your front office is proactive.