Wolves and Bulls

[winforlose]

Wolves out: Rob Dillingham and Donte DiVincenzo
Wolves in: Coby White

Bulls out: Coby White
Bulls in: Wolves out: Rob Dillingham and Donte DiVincenzo
Wolves in: Coby White

Why for the Wolves: The Wolves pair Ant and White as the backcourt of the future. White will need to adjust to his PG role, but is much better than Dillingham at present, and DDV plays a different position.

Why for the Bulls. Dillingham might develop at either PG or SG given time. This is not a win now for Chicago, they have a chance to develop Dilly and either keep or flip him. DDV is a value contract that can be kept or resold. The issue is would someone else offer more for White, and whether keeping White going forward is better than trading him for a blue chip and a value contract.

[SkyHook]

Wolves out: Rob Dillingham and Donte DiVincenzo
Wolves in: Coby White

Bulls out: Coby White
Bulls in: Wolves out: Rob Dillingham and Donte DiVincenzo
Wolves in: Coby White

Why for the Wolves: The Wolves pair Ant and White as the backcourt of the future. White will need to adjust to his PG role, but is much better than Dillingham at present, and DDV plays a different position.

Why for the Bulls. Dillingham might develop at either PG or SG given time. This is not a win now for Chicago, they have a chance to develop Dilly and either keep or flip him. DDV is a value contract that can be kept or resold. The issue is would someone else offer more for White, and whether keeping White going forward is better than trading him for a blue chip and a value contract.

It depends on whether the Bulls see any potential in Dillingham. The Wolves paid a heavy price to acquire him, but he hasn't shown that he was worth it. Maybe if every game was against Guangdong.

[winforlose]

Wolves out: Rob Dillingham and Donte DiVincenzo
Wolves in: Coby White

Bulls out: Coby White
Bulls in: Wolves out: Rob Dillingham and Donte DiVincenzo
Wolves in: Coby White

Why for the Wolves: The Wolves pair Ant and White as the backcourt of the future. White will need to adjust to his PG role, but is much better than Dillingham at present, and DDV plays a different position.

Why for the Bulls. Dillingham might develop at either PG or SG given time. This is not a win now for Chicago, they have a chance to develop Dilly and either keep or flip him. DDV is a value contract that can be kept or resold. The issue is would someone else offer more for White, and whether keeping White going forward is better than trading him for a blue chip and a value contract.

It depends on whether the Bulls see any potential in Dillingham. The Wolves paid a heavy price to acquire him, but he hasn't shown that he was worth it. Maybe if every game was against Guangdong.

True. That said he is 20 and came in undersized. He is also being shifted to more of a PG when he played more combo guard in college. I don’t think it is clear where his true ceiling or floor are yet. It is also a lot of control with 3 more cheap years plus RFA rights.

[SkyHook]

Wolves out: Rob Dillingham and Donte DiVincenzo
Wolves in: Coby White

Bulls out: Coby White
Bulls in: Wolves out: Rob Dillingham and Donte DiVincenzo
Wolves in: Coby White

Why for the Wolves: The Wolves pair Ant and White as the backcourt of the future. White will need to adjust to his PG role, but is much better than Dillingham at present, and DDV plays a different position.

Why for the Bulls. Dillingham might develop at either PG or SG given time. This is not a win now for Chicago, they have a chance to develop Dilly and either keep or flip him. DDV is a value contract that can be kept or resold. The issue is would someone else offer more for White, and whether keeping White going forward is better than trading him for a blue chip and a value contract.

It depends on whether the Bulls see any potential in Dillingham. The Wolves paid a heavy price to acquire him, but he hasn't shown that he was worth it. Maybe if every game was against Guangdong.

True. That said he is 20 and came in undersized. He is also being shifted to more of a PG when he played more combo guard in college. I don’t think it is clear where his true ceiling or floor are yet. It is also a lot of control with 3 more cheap years plus RFA rights.

It's difficult for a player with the size of a point guard but without that lead guard mentality to make that transition. I've been watching the Jazz try to do it with George; it hasn't been pretty and I'm under no illusions that Keyonte has any trade value.

And there are quite a few first round picks from the 2024 draft where "a lot of control with 3 more cheap years plus RFA rights" means very little.

[winforlose]

It depends on whether the Bulls see any potential in Dillingham. The Wolves paid a heavy price to acquire him, but he hasn't shown that he was worth it. Maybe if every game was against Guangdong.

True. That said he is 20 and came in undersized. He is also being shifted to more of a PG when he played more combo guard in college. I don’t think it is clear where his true ceiling or floor are yet. It is also a lot of control with 3 more cheap years plus RFA rights.

It's difficult for a player with the size of a point guard but without that lead guard mentality to make that transition. I've been watching the Jazz try to do it with George; it hasn't been pretty and I'm under no illusions that Keyonte has any trade value.

And there are quite a few first round picks from the 2024 draft where "a lot of control with 3 more cheap years plus RFA rights" means very little.

We don’t know what Dilly will be. No one does. Maybe he develops into a pure PG. Maybe he stays a combo guard who can get 9 assists one game and 6 turnovers the next. Maybe he figures out his inside game, maybe he sticks to 3 point shooting and with consistency becomes a sniper. His size is a definite negative. That said, the uncertainty exists in most young players. He was a rookie on a playoff team who did not get enough minutes. The bulls minus White are not likely a playoff team. They have room to develop lottery picks, which he was. The Bulls also get DDV who is probably worth a first on his own.

I don’t see this as a value problem, I see this as a what is Coby worth to other teams problem. As an expiring he might demand real money. This means there is risk involved in trading for him. That risk lowers his price. As does a high demand on his next contract. I see the risk profile of this trade as balanced, and I don’t know that other teams will offer better and take on more risk.

[ChettheJet]

For starters: the Bulls are overloaded at guard, evidence White is recovering from a calf injury and they still have plenty of guys to take the minutes. Now your plan is to trade one and get 2 back, do you see the problem. DiVincenzo is a shooter, they have Huerter and Doaunmu, plus Jones can shoot. . OK so Dillingham hasn't worked out at PG, well the Bulls just resigned both Giiddey and Jones as PG's when in the heck id Dillingham going to get on the floor?

You think Coby White can adjust to playing PG. The Bulls tried him at PG for like 4 years, he finally started really producing when he moved full time to SG.

It works on the trade machine but not for either team on the floor

[shrink]

I wouldn’t trade DiVincenzo (2 years at $12 mil) straight up for White (1 year at $13 , then wants $30 on his deal next year).

[SkyHook]

True. That said he is 20 and came in undersized. He is also being shifted to more of a PG when he played more combo guard in college. I don’t think it is clear where his true ceiling or floor are yet. It is also a lot of control with 3 more cheap years plus RFA rights.

It's difficult for a player with the size of a point guard but without that lead guard mentality to make that transition. I've been watching the Jazz try to do it with George; it hasn't been pretty and I'm under no illusions that Keyonte has any trade value.

And there are quite a few first round picks from the 2024 draft where "a lot of control with 3 more cheap years plus RFA rights" means very little.

We don’t know what Dilly will be. No one does. Maybe he develops into a pure PG. Maybe he stays a combo guard who can get 9 assists one game and 6 turnovers the next. Maybe he figures out his inside game, maybe he sticks to 3 point shooting and with consistency becomes a sniper. His size is a definite negative. That said, the uncertainty exists in most young players. He was a rookie on a playoff team who did not get enough minutes. The bulls minus White are not likely a playoff team. They have room to develop lottery picks, which he was. The Bulls also get DDV who is probably worth a first on his own.

I don’t see this as a value problem, I see this as a what is Coby worth to other teams problem. As an expiring he might demand real money. This means there is risk involved in trading for him. That risk lowers his price. As does a high demand on his next contract. I see the risk profile of this trade as balanced, and I don’t know that other teams will offer better and take on more risk.

Agreed about the uncertainty. He also could be the next Kobe Bufkin, traded for cash and waived after his second season. Their rookie stats aren't all that dissimilar.

[winforlose]

For starters: the Bulls are overloaded at guard, evidence White is recovering from a calf injury and they still have plenty of guys to take the minutes. Now your plan is to trade one and get 2 back, do you see the problem. DiVincenzo is a shooter, they have Huerter and Doaunmu, plus Jones can shoot. . OK so Dillingham hasn't worked out at PG, well the Bulls just resigned both Giiddey and Jones as PG's when in the heck id Dillingham going to get on the floor?

You think Coby White can adjust to playing PG. The Bulls tried him at PG for like 4 years, he finally started really producing when he moved full time to SG.

It works on the trade machine but not for either team on the floor

Please elaborate on your White point. Are you saying he cannot play alongside Ant and run an offense?

[Chi town]

Easy pass from Bulls.

Want nothing to do with Rob D.

[jscott]

I wouldn’t trade DiVincenzo (2 years at $12 mil) straight up for White (1 year at $13 , then wants $30 on his deal next year).

I came in here to post this. I value DDV more than White so this deal would be dead in the water for me.

[nolian]

NO for both team

White isn't the answer for the Timberwolves because he isn't a creator for others

Dillingham isn't the right player for the Bulls, beacuse they had Giddey at PG and add TreJones ad reserve
DDV has similar qualities of Huerter, and that upgrade (between them) in not enought for (selling) White

[pipfan]

I've tried a few White to Minny deals-I think it makes A LOT of sense

REALLY wanted Beringer-not sure if Minny would give him up. I would do Conley (bulls buy out) and Beringer for Coby but other Bulls' fans wouldn't

This deal is a great reminder of how lucky the Bulls got, that SA didn't take Matas. I NEVER understood-he'd have been perfect in their lineup for the future and seems like a sure Spurs pick. Minny should have told SA to draft him too

Not sure on Dillingham, can the Wolves trade Conley (I remember someone saying they promised him they wouldn't). I'd do Conley/Dillingham and a future pick swap for White and Terry

[wolves_89]

When factoring in both role and money I don't see this for Minnesota. With Ant and Randle getting a huge chunk of the offensive usage, I just don't see much of an oncourt difference between White and DiVincenzo in the role that is available. Add in that White needs to get paid while DDV has an additional cheap year and this should be a no for the Wolves.

[ReggiesKnicks]

When factoring in both role and money I don't see this for Minnesota. With Ant and Randle getting a huge chunk of the offensive usage, I just don't see much of an oncourt difference between White and DiVincenzo in the role that is available. Add in that White needs to get paid while DDV has an additional cheap year and this should be a no for the Wolves.

Why would White only supplant DiVincenzo when he is not only replacing both Dillingham and DiVincenzo, but also replacing the departing backup point guard Nickeil Alexander-Walker, and is a better player than the aging Mike Conley? That's four players where White could be consuming minutes on the court.

Nickeil Alexander-Walker (2037, 25.3)
Mike Conley (1756, 24.7)
Donte DiVincenzo (1606, 25.9)
Rob Dillingham (516, 10.5)

By the looks of it, the Timberwolves would be losing 2 key rotation players after this trade from last season, Donte and Nickeil. They averaged 51.2 minutes combined, while Mike Conley isn't any younger.

I would venture to say Coby White could fill in Donte's+Robs' minutes, which would put him around Nickeil's total (2000) for the Timberwolves.

In terms of actual role, I think putting ANT in more desirable offensive situations, which is easily facilitated by having additional facilitators on the court, allows ANT to get into his spots easier, as it doesn't require ANT to dribble to those locations on the court.