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[mademan]

Ya if you take Sheppard out, maybe the Rockets can justify it. Still almost certainly a no without added assets, which Bucks shouldnt do

[MoreyWins]

Sheppard could be replaced with Clint. Personally, I'm down on Sheppard. I'd rather give Rollins all of his minutes.

[LarsV8]

Sengun/FVV/Capela
for
Turner/Herro/Rollins

Bucks get an all star locked up long term fairly cheaply. Rockets balance their roster and get better shooters.

Rollins / Reed
Amen / Smart
Durant / Herro
Jabari / Eason
Turner / Adams

[MoreyWins]

The Rockets' defense with Sengun off and Amen on has a rating of 105. They're +11 in those minutes. The lineups are great guarding the three point line, great at contesting at the rim, and they force more mid range jumpers. Sengun's lineups without Amen bleed points like crazy in comparison. The offense is about the same with either guy on-or-off. I'd like to see the Rockets lean into what works and build on that. If Steven Adams or Clint Capela level rim protectors are that impactful in the scheme then maybe invest in a guy like that who can play big minutes.

[jbk1234]

Garland for Green, 2027 UTA/MIN/CLE 1st (worst), 2029 UTA/MIN/CLE/CHA 1st (worst)

The worst-of qualifier makes those picks very unlikely to be any good. I just don't see the Clippers preemptively blowing it up and holding a fire sale. If they start off 10-20, maybe they re-evaluate, or would re-evaluate if their entire front office wasn't suspended, but outside of clearing out bad contracts, there's no incentive to deliberately put yourself into bottom 5 territory anymore.

My thought is that a team anchored by Garland + Ingram in the West is probably a 30 win team (maybe a little less or more) and that they are better off just trading their core that has no future for assets that can help them either once they sign a bunch of free agents, or in 8 years when they have their own picks. I don't think there is much value for Garland available, and yah, the worst of qualifiers suck, but we are also about to have some deep drafts because players getting paid NIL will have finally normalized (i.e., a bunch of upperclassmen who would have otherwise declared before NIL are now about to graduate, so there should be a flood of first round caliber guys in the next two drafts, IMO --- 2027 is not great up top, but it looks incredibly deep to me).

And just like they don't have incentive to be bad, they also don't really have incentive to NOT be horrible. They don't own their picks, being awful lowers the value of the picks they don't own (so, who cares?) and they really should be in asset accumulation mode. If Green shows something (he won't) then they might be able to flip him, or he might contribute as much to winning as say ... Ingram (again, this won't happen, but you can see the logic of it if you were high on him).

There' are aways incentive not be to horrible. Horrible teams get less for players in trades. Horrible teams have a more difficult time attracting free agents. Horrible teams have a hard time selling tickets. Horrible teams can have a more difficult time developing players. There was only one incentive when it came to being horrible and not only is gone, but the Clippers who still own their pick in 28, have a very strong incentive not to draft in the top 3 next summer.

Then you get into if Garland stays healthy and has another all star season, is that really the best the Clippers can get for him? Why resign yourself to selling low and being horrible before you've even seen what you have?

[gswhoops]

I know we've had a rockets fan on here saying that a few younger guys on big deals, like Mobley, were already bad contracts because of one flaw or another. I wonder if Amen's shooting inability will have him feel the same, or if that tune will change.

I predict the verdict will be "the 10 million difference in their deals makes Amen a reasonable value deal while Mobley is a ginormous albatross."

Good luck with those Mobley/Mitchell deals.

I’d rather have Spida and Mobley than Amen and Sengun on their current deals

[LarsV8]

I predict the verdict will be "the 10 million difference in their deals makes Amen a reasonable value deal while Mobley is a ginormous albatross."

Good luck with those Mobley/Mitchell deals.

I’d rather have Spida and Mobley than Amen and Sengun on their current deals

Let's revisit in two years.

[HornetJail]

Good luck with those Mobley/Mitchell deals.

I’d rather have Spida and Mobley than Amen and Sengun on their current deals

Let's revisit in two years.

the only realistic ways I see this being a conversation in two years is if Donovan Mitchell completely falls off between ages 30 and 32 or Amen somehow finds a workable outside shot

not impossible I guess, but neither is exactly something I'd bank on.

[Godaddycurse]

I’d rather have Spida and Mobley than Amen and Sengun on their current deals

Let's revisit in two years.

the only realistic ways I see this being a conversation in two years is if Donovan Mitchell completely falls off between ages 30 and 32 or Amen somehow finds a workable outside shot

not impossible I guess, but neither is exactly something I'd bank on.

Mobley doesn't exactly have the most reliable outside shot/FT% either though. I would probably prefer Amen over Mobley on their respective contracts

[tester551]

Can a non-Rockets or non-Bucks fan tell me what they would think about a straight up trade of:

Ryan Rollins, Myles Turner, and AJ Green for Alperen Sengun and Reed Sheppard

Are the values close to equal, and if not which side would have add extra?

Value favors the Bucks. Sengun is a much better player than Turner and neither Rollins nor Green hold any meaningful value to close that gap.

Agreed.
It's not particularly close IMO.