NY/San Antonio

[lowermerionfilms]

New York Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Robert Horry
Brent Barry
San Antonio 2008 1st Round Pick

San Antonio Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Mardy Collins
Eddy Curry

Why for SA? Strapped by the huge contracts for Duncan, Ginobli and Parker, the Spurs can't afford to let contracts expire. It limits their trading ability. Curry may look like crap playing 35 minutes for the worst team in the league, but 25-30 minutes off the bench at the 5 could be just what the Spurs need in the playoffs (think James Edwards for the Pistons in the late 80's, early 90's)

Why for NY? Randolph seems untradable and one of these two guys has to go. The Knicks pick up a 1st round pick and bring the Curry fiasco to an end.

[loserX]

The Spurs are arguably the most chemistry-conscious team in the league. I doubt the moody, inconsistent-effort Curry is how they'd like to use their capspace or draft picks.

[ss1986v2]

spurs pass without much thought. not that the value isnt on their side, but its not the type of move they are going to pull.

[Blame Rasho]

It is just a laughable proposal and your logic is so flawed. Tell me why we need another post scorer when we have a better one in Duncan? Hell, Tony Parker scores better from inside compared to Curry according to 82games.com. We need outside shooters to accent our big three. What do we trade, the guy with the best TS% in the NBA and the one guy who is money in the playoffs. We can't afford to let contracts expire now? Where did you hear that? The Spurs have always been able to reload and get pieces for their team. This trade is horriable when you also consider what it does to the chemistry to the team this year.

[old rem]

The Spurs are arguably the most chemistry-conscious team in the league. I doubt the moody, inconsistent-effort Curry is how they'd like to use their capspace or draft picks.

This is true....and yet here is a pretty golden opportunity they can't get picking so late in drafts. The Spurs do quite well at getting players focused and schooled,in shape,thinking D. I always wonder....how hard is it to explain to a guy the benefits of paying the dues to become a STAR rather than a guy coasting on raw talent. Sometimes a coaching staff can do as much with applied psychology as it can with tactics.

Collins is a player I think can also be made into more than he's been. I think even if the Spurs also send Elson,they take a gamble that can pay off. It might take Elson (or no Collins) to really sell the Knicks.

Z Randolph is not "untradeable" but has real weak market value for a 20/10,relatively young PF. As is the case with Curry,dropping 15 pounds and putting more priority on D would make a big difference. What's painfully clear is that untill Curry or Randolph do lose a few pounds and gain some game on the defensive end-it's not good to play them togather.

[#1knickfan]

Hell, Tony Parker scores better from inside compared to Curry according to 82games.com.

You would think that would be enough for a moderator to figure out that 82games.com is a place full of imaginary stats created by tabulated by someone with too much time on his hands that despite his best efforts mean absolutely nothing in real life.

New York Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Robert Horry
Brent Barry
San Antonio 2008 1st Round Pick

San Antonio Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Mardy Collins
Eddy Curry

As for the deal itself, I would turn down that trade in a heartbeat. We're already giving up the best player in the deal but we're also giving up Collins to boot. And for what, salary cap relief that won't help us anytime soon and a glorified second rounder?

[DanTown8587]

NO Way Spurs want Eddy "Malcontent" Curry on their roster for four years.

[HotSpurs21]

just not a good deal for the Spurs. loserX said it best, this is not the way the Spurs want to use their cap space and draft picks

[moocow007]

NO Way Spurs want Eddy "Malcontent" Curry on their roster for four years.

How exactly is Eddy Curry a "malcontent" again? Because he hinted at what was obvious to everyone with half a brain (that having him and Randolph is not working out)? Because he feels that the Knicks play better when he's more involved and that he plays better when he gets the ball (which is also about as obvious as it gets since his strength is offense)? Or is it because he's a Knick? Maybe it's because he's got a bad heart? Or that he's overweight? What is it? I'm guessing Marbury has some hand in this as well (after all Marbury is the root of most of the ills with not just the Knicks but the world too).

[moocow007]

just not a good deal for the Spurs. loserX said it best, this is not the way the Spurs want to use their cap space and draft picks

Yes. Curry doesn't seem like a Spurs type player. But if you are going to gamble, they aren't giving much of anything here, so this would not be a bad gamble.

[HotSpurs21]

^ yeah talent-wise the Spurs win out by far in this trade, but I just don't see Pops playing Curry much until he commits himself on defense

[loserX]

How exactly is Eddy Curry a "malcontent" again? Because he hinted at what was obvious to everyone with half a brain (that having him and Randolph is not working out)? Because he feels that the Knicks play better when he's more involved and that he plays better when he gets the ball (which is also about as obvious as it gets since his strength is offense)? Or is it because he's a Knick? Maybe it's because he's got a bad heart? Or that he's overweight? What is it? I'm guessing Marbury has some hand in this as well (after all Marbury is the root of most of the ills with not just the Knicks but the world too).

Oh come on, now. We all know that Curry has been FAR from an ideal "employee" ever since his Chicago days, long BEFORE he got to NY. He's moody, his effort level is erratic to say the least, and he often appears disinterested. This has nothing to do with Marbury or an attack on the Knicks or his weight. There's little point in getting defensive or trying to deny it.

[moocow007]

^ yeah talent-wise the Spurs win out by far in this trade, but I just don't see Pops playing Curry much until he commits himself on defense

Oh I agree. And not like the Spurs really need to gamble right now. They are still one of the top 4 teams in the NBA. Once they are all healthy they'll be just fine...more than just fine.

[Blame Rasho]

You would think that would be enough for a moderator to figure out that 82games.com is a place full of imaginary stats created by tabulated by someone with too much time on his hands that despite his best efforts mean absolutely nothing in real life.

I am glad to know according to you that site is useless...

[moocow007]

You would think that would be enough for a moderator to figure out that 82games.com is a place full of imaginary stats created by tabulated by someone with too much time on his hands that despite his best efforts mean absolutely nothing in real life.

I am glad to know according to you that site is useless...

To be fair though I believe it was 82games.com that had Royal Ivey as being the more productive player than Stephon Marbury several years back (during Marbs Suns days) based on some weird calculation. I don't remember the specifics but it was pretty wild when it was brought up. Now Marbury is no Nash or Kidd but Royal Ivey is no Marbury (and I don't mean that as a compliment).

[Blame Rasho]

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To be fair though I believe it was 82games.com that had Royal Ivey as being the more productive player than Stephon Marbury several years back (during Marbs Suns days) based on some weird calculation. I don't remember the specifics but it was pretty wild when it was brought up. Now Marbury is no Nash or Kidd but Royal Ivey is no Marbury (and I don't mean that as a compliment).

I see what you mean