Knicks - Miami trade

[Luv those Knicks]

I think that Miami and New York, two teams who appear to be going nowhere this season, are actually logical trade partners. What they should trade each other, is another story.

I think Zack (who maybe has been New York's most productive player overall this year, except for recently) would be a big help to the Heat, as he would take a lot of the inside scoring pressure off Shaq, who is obviously no longer a full time player any more. What the Knicks could potentially get is some salary help (which they sorely need) and the opportunity to turn the starting role at power forward to Lee (who is much less expensive for them) and bodes well for the future. Is Lee a better player than Zack right now? No, but probably is good enough to be a starter and might be better in the long run.

In order to do this deal, undoubtedly Haslem would have to be coming back to New York (or get moved to a 3rd team) for the money to be workable. If Williams comes to NY, someone else would probably be need to be moved back to Miami to assume the point guard duties (perhaps comes from that 3rd team). Since I am not either a Knick fan nor a Miami fan (I do like both teams however and would like to seem them improve) I'll leave it to you guys to figure out what works.

You both need to do something imo and I don't think you're going to get much help from anyone else out there so you might as well try and do a deal which helps you both. Maybe you can pull a 3rd team into it who would have a minor role. I think you guys have movable pieces which would fit nicely with each other.

What team has a decent point guard that they'd be willing to trade for Haslem, assuming Zack went to Miami?

This is a well thought out reply. I agree that NY & Miami might make possible trade partners.


First, we have to ask - are both NY & Miami basically saying this year is over, let's play the lotto and take it from there, cause if that's the case, then neither team should be in a rush to make a trade.

Second, we should look at which players either team might want to move. I think Miami is happy with Haslim at PF, and I don't think Zach is a Pat Riley player AND, his contract is something that Miami probably wouldn't want to take on, so I doubt Miami would be keep on trading for Zach.


Would NY want Jason Williams? With Marbs & Craw both able to play PG, I don't think Jason would be high on our List, but Ricky Davis, even though he's another scorer, I respect Ricky and I've seen him hustle on D and NY's weakest position this year is SF - I'd definitly take on Ricky Davis if the price wasn't too high, and NY might be looking at Moving Zach. - something around a Zach for Ricky trade might be possible for NY, but probably not for Miami - maybe if a 3rd team was involved.



I threw this together, but I'm not sure I like it, though I think it's a little more balanced than the original trade:



New York Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players
Ricky Davis
Mark Blount

Outgoing Players
Zach Randolph


Miami Trade Breakdown

Ben Wallace

Outgoing Players

Ricky Davis
Mark Blount


Chicago Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players
Zach Randolph

Outgoing Players

Ben Wallace

- - -

Does Miami take Ben Wallace for a possible run next year? Hmmm. Maybe. I don't know for sure.


NY might cut Blount as part of the deal so Miami could take him back.


Does NY do this to take on Ricky and remove Zach - possibly. I'm not 100% sure, but maybe.


Does Chicago do it? Maybe.


I don't love the trade, but it seems fair enough.

[#1knickfan]

Try asking why I wouldn't do it. Even though you didn't ask, I'll answer you.

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Randolph's deal is ludicrous and it's going to cost us a fortune after Shaq retires! Their is no way I'd deal for Randolph unless he's bought out. Then, I'd be happy to take him.

I am happy to see you haven't fallen to the dark side.

[JimmyBulls]

I think this deal would be great for the Knicks. They get a productive small forward, and a point guard that will keep Nate Robinson's head in the game and off the nightly highlight video shows. It can go either way for MIA. They could be trading for a guy to play along side Wade after Shaq's retirement or a headache that will clash with Shaq and Wade. If i'm the Knicks i'd make the deal, but i'd have to pass if i'm the Heat.

[turk3d]

The reason I'm suggesting a deal for the both of you is not just to make a deal. In the case of Miami, it would be to try and salvage the season as it is rapidly going down hill and getting close to the point of no return. In the case of New York (who is in even worse shape) this deal would not strengthen them this year, but perhaps would help them in the future.

This deal would not get New York in the playoffs (I don't think there is any realistic deal out there for them which would get them into the playoffs) but Zack, although risky, could possibly get them there, as I think this trade would put them in a decent position to make another big move. Although somewhat risky perhaps, I think that Miami does not have the money problems that NY has (although I'm not suggesting that they should throw their money away), but they have a real problem with Shaq and his contract, and the physical condition that he's in as well as the physical condition of Wade.

Because no one knows how much longer Shaq will be able to go, and the high unliklihood that anybody would be willing to take him and his contract in trade, you are almost in a position (in my opinion) where you need to play for this season and in order to do that it's obvious you can't do this with your current roster. I believe Randolph gives you that possibility (even with his bad contract). He gives you a real banger and you do not lose as much when Shaq has to come out. Of course there is a price to pay. With Zack's additional inside presence, you take some of the pressure off Wade and can cut back on the beating he takes all the time in having to drive to the basket. If something isn't done along those lines fairly soon, I believe his career may wind up being cut short.

One of the things I've noticed about some of the Heat fans is that they are expecting too much for their players from teams who really are not in the same position that they are in (really aren't desperate to do something). Face the facts and do something to improve yourselves, I don't think you have much to lose. All the players we are talking about here are not really players who are part of your long range future (with the exception maybe of Haslem) anyway. As good of a guy that Haslem has been for you, I think Zack could be better. When both Shaq and Wade were at their norms, Haslem was a perfect fit, when all he had to do was to rebound and play defense, get some offensive boards and maybe make an occasional short range jumper. Now though, with Shaq and Wade less than what they used to be (and probably being that way for sometime), you need to rely on your 4 to be more of a scoring threat.

That's my take and I hope you guys can figure it out. It would suck (imo) for you to become a lotter pick. Either that or tank and maybe get another franchise lottery pick, but that's a risky deal, with the lottery being what it is. I can't see Riley tanking, not with both Shaq and Wade still on the active list.

As for the Knicks, Zack has played well for them, but I think if anything they do a deal just to do one, move some salary, and start their rebuild. Goold luck to you both.

[#1knickfan]

The reason I'm suggesting a deal for the both of you is not just to make a deal. In the case of Miami, it would be to try and salvage the season as it is rapidly going down hill and getting close to the point of no return. In the case of New York (who is in even worse shape) this deal would not strengthen them this year, but perhaps would help them in the future.

This deal would not get New York in the playoffs (I don't think there is any realistic deal out there for them which would get them into the playoffs) but Zack, although risky, could possibly get them there, as I think this trade would put them in a decent position to make another big move. Although somewhat risky perhaps, I think that Miami does not have the money problems that NY has (although I'm not suggesting that they should throw their money away), but they have a real problem with Shaq and his contract, and the physical condition that he's in as well as the physical condition of Wade.

Because no one knows how much longer Shaq will be able to go, and the high unliklihood that anybody would be willing to take him and his contract in trade, you are almost in a position (in my opinion) where you need to play for this season and in order to do that it's obvious you can't do this with your current roster. I believe Randolph gives you that possibility (even with his bad contract). He gives you a real banger and you do not lose as much when Shaq has to come out. Of course there is a price to pay. With Zack's additional inside presence, you take some of the pressure off Wade and can cut back on the beating he takes all the time in having to drive to the basket. If something isn't done along those lines fairly soon, I believe his career may wind up being cut short.

One of the things I've noticed about some of the Heat fans is that they are expecting too much for their players from teams who really are not in the same position that they are in (really aren't desperate to do something). Face the facts and do something to improve yourselves, I don't think you have much to lose. All the players we are talking about here are not really players who are part of your long range future (with the exception maybe of Haslem) anyway. As good of a guy that Haslem has been for you, I think Zack could be better. When both Shaq and Wade were at their norms, Haslem was a perfect fit, when all he had to do was to rebound and play defense, get some offensive boards and maybe make an occasional short range jumper. Now though, with Shaq and Wade less than what they used to be (and probably being that way for sometime), you need to rely on your 4 to be more of a scoring threat.

That's my take and I hope you guys can figure it out. It would suck (imo) for you to become a lotter pick. Either that or tank and maybe get another franchise lottery pick, but that's a risky deal, with the lottery being what it is. I can't see Riley tanking, not with both Shaq and Wade still on the active list.

As for the Knicks, Zack has played well for them, but I think if anything they do a deal just to do one, move some salary, and start their rebuild. Goold luck to you both.

The problem is that the Knicks cannot rebuild. It just isn't possible. More to the point, they shouldn't rebuild because it is unnecessary. They have plenty of pieces in place. The problem is that the pieces they have don't fit together. Their first problem is mental. They don't have a real leader that everyone turns to and feeds off of. With that kind of player even the most disfunctional team can gel. The team also needs a point guard who can run an offense and make the players around him better. The final piece to the puzzle would be to deal either Eddy Curry or Zach Randolph and replace them with a defensive specialist or at least someone who can block shots to compensate for our weak perimeter defense. But the whole thing does not need to be torn down.

[#1knickfan]

The reason I'm suggesting a deal for the both of you is not just to make a deal. In the case of Miami, it would be to try and salvage the season as it is rapidly going down hill and getting close to the point of no return. In the case of New York (who is in even worse shape) this deal would not strengthen them this year, but perhaps would help them in the future.

This deal would not get New York in the playoffs (I don't think there is any realistic deal out there for them which would get them into the playoffs) but Zack, although risky, could possibly get them there, as I think this trade would put them in a decent position to make another big move. Although somewhat risky perhaps, I think that Miami does not have the money problems that NY has (although I'm not suggesting that they should throw their money away), but they have a real problem with Shaq and his contract, and the physical condition that he's in as well as the physical condition of Wade.

Because no one knows how much longer Shaq will be able to go, and the high unliklihood that anybody would be willing to take him and his contract in trade, you are almost in a position (in my opinion) where you need to play for this season and in order to do that it's obvious you can't do this with your current roster. I believe Randolph gives you that possibility (even with his bad contract). He gives you a real banger and you do not lose as much when Shaq has to come out. Of course there is a price to pay. With Zack's additional inside presence, you take some of the pressure off Wade and can cut back on the beating he takes all the time in having to drive to the basket. If something isn't done along those lines fairly soon, I believe his career may wind up being cut short.

One of the things I've noticed about some of the Heat fans is that they are expecting too much for their players from teams who really are not in the same position that they are in (really aren't desperate to do something). Face the facts and do something to improve yourselves, I don't think you have much to lose. All the players we are talking about here are not really players who are part of your long range future (with the exception maybe of Haslem) anyway. As good of a guy that Haslem has been for you, I think Zack could be better. When both Shaq and Wade were at their norms, Haslem was a perfect fit, when all he had to do was to rebound and play defense, get some offensive boards and maybe make an occasional short range jumper. Now though, with Shaq and Wade less than what they used to be (and probably being that way for sometime), you need to rely on your 4 to be more of a scoring threat.

That's my take and I hope you guys can figure it out. It would suck (imo) for you to become a lotter pick. Either that or tank and maybe get another franchise lottery pick, but that's a risky deal, with the lottery being what it is. I can't see Riley tanking, not with both Shaq and Wade still on the active list.

As for the Knicks, Zack has played well for them, but I think if anything they do a deal just to do one, move some salary, and start their rebuild. Goold luck to you both.

The problem is that the Knicks cannot rebuild. It just isn't possible. More to the point, they shouldn't rebuild because it is unnecessary. They have plenty of pieces in place. The problem is that the pieces they have don't fit together. Their first problem is mental. They don't have a real leader that everyone turns to and feeds off of. With that kind of player even the most disfunctional team can gel. The team also needs a point guard who can run an offense and make the players around him better. The final piece to the puzzle would be to deal either Eddy Curry or Zach Randolph and replace them with a defensive specialist or at least someone who can block shots to compensate for our weak perimeter defense. But the whole thing does not need to be torn down.

[Zo]

Randolph is not the answer for the HEAT. I'd rather just trade them for trade exceptions...

JWill and Ricky would not improve the Knicks on the court, but they should consider it from a financial point if view... Ricky is not a good team chemistry player, but he is way better than ZBo from that point of view...