Marbury to Portland

[Luv those Knicks]

The thing about a trade like this is that both team's front offices hold their noses while looking to the future. This is a situation where there are different benefits to each team in exchanging stinky contract, perhaps enough to make both teams agree.

I understand about NY maybe having reluctance to move Mardy Collins in this deal. To be honest, I'm not sure why either team would really need to move other assets then lafrentz + miles for marbury.

So if the trade is simplified to just that, then the equation is a lot simpler to analyze. Over the next 2 years the combined salaries of Lafrentz and Miles is 41.8 million while francis's salary is a little over 42 million. So the salary exchange is a push, with a slight edge to NY.

The problem arises with the 3rd year of the Miles contract...9 million. Now it looks like even adding that to NY's salary base, the Knicks will be under the luxury tax threshold, so the 9 million would be the total that would have to be 'equalized'. Part of the equalization may be that Miles is practicing now and I believe he has been cleared to play by the doctors. He may actually be able to contribute to a team soon, and if he comes close to his original form he may be effective for the Knicks. So that just leaves some money issues...maybe.

We have a term in portland, and its SPAM (spending paul allen's money). So as long as we're doing that, we can sweeten the pot a bit for NY by modifying the original trade and adding a secondary one:

trade 1 = Lafrentz, Miles, and 3 million cash for Marbury

trade 2 = one of portland's 2008 2nd round picks and 3 million cash for NY's 2010 2nd round pick

does that get it done?

It doesn't get it done for NY.

Portland gains cap space 2 years down the line.

NY adds 9 million in salary (18 million to those who write the checks), for 2 players who (sorry, but it's true) are less good than marbs. That's why a pick would need to be included. 3 million wouldn't get it done and a swap of 2nd round picks wouldn't get it done.


The question is whether Portland would throw in a first rounder, cause that would get it done, but I'm not sure Portland would do it.

3 million - nope

swap of 2nd round picks - nope.

[moocow007]

It doesn't get it done for NY.

Portland gains cap space 2 years down the line.

NY adds 9 million in salary (18 million to those who write the checks), for 2 players who (sorry, but it's true) are less good than marbs. That's why a pick would need to be included. 3 million wouldn't get it done and a swap of 2nd round picks wouldn't get it done.


The question is whether Portland would throw in a first rounder, cause that would get it done, but I'm not sure Portland would do it.

3 million - nope

swap of 2nd round picks - nope.

You also forgot..

Jarret Jack - nope.

[DeezXXnutZ]

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there is a problem with 'holding' Lafrentz's contract for it's expiring value. That is if portland could somehow find a taker, they're almost certainly not going to get a great player...just someone with a longer contract. To even get a marginally good player they'll have to add some other assets on their end. And making the trade would effectively end any hope of cap space in 2009.

Lafrentz may have more value to Portland as an expiring contract then anything they could hope to get in return.

My thinking is hold onto LaFrentz expiring contract and add some talent and picks and go trade for a player...I think the odds of this happening are better then 09 free agency...The reason I don't like free agency is that the odds of us getting someone we actually would be interested in (Paul or Williams) are not going to be available...There present teams are going to regign them almost suredly...

[ISB]

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It doesn't get it done for NY.

Portland gains cap space 2 years down the line.

NY adds 9 million in salary (18 million to those who write the checks), for 2 players who (sorry, but it's true) are less good than marbs. That's why a pick would need to be included. 3 million wouldn't get it done and a swap of 2nd round picks wouldn't get it done.


The question is whether Portland would throw in a first rounder, cause that would get it done, but I'm not sure Portland would do it.

3 million - nope

swap of 2nd round picks - nope.

thats not Portland's problem.

I could see portland giving one (or more) of their 2nd rounders, but it would make no sense to give up a first rounder for 9 million of capspace IMO. Especially if it turns out that Portland is playing over their heads a bit and they come back near the lottery. not saying I expect that)

A legit shot at Chris Paul is the only reason they'd even need that much cap space. I think they are smart enough not to pull a "rashard lewis" or "ben wallace,"

[ITK9]

a team that win games doesn't need marbury.

[Wizenheimer]

It doesn't get it done for NY.

Portland gains cap space 2 years down the line.

NY adds 9 million in salary (18 million to those who write the checks), for 2 players who (sorry, but it's true) are less good than marbs. That's why a pick would need to be included. 3 million wouldn't get it done and a swap of 2nd round picks wouldn't get it done.

looking at their future salary obligations, I don't think it's certain the NY will be over the luxury tax threshold even with Miles's salary added.

As to 6 million added to te trades (3 million twice), while fans don't pay much attenton to that the owner may very well find it compelling enough a reason to say yes...I wouldn't discount it so quickly.

The question is whether Portland would throw in a first rounder, cause that would get it done, but I'm not sure Portland would do it.

3 million - nope

swap of 2nd round picks - nope.

OK...personally, as a blazer fan I'd be willing to part with a 1st round pick in say...2010. I'm not sure about the Portland GM as he seems to love the draft so he might balk at that.

Lafrentz, Miles, 2010 1st round for marbury?