Pretty big shake-up NEW JERSEY/NEW YORK/PHOENIX

Pugsley_2491 · Post #1 » by **Pugsley_2491** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:00 pm

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=

NJ out: Vince Carter, Jamaal Magloire 2008 first rounder
NYK out: Jamal Crawford, Q-rich, Wilson Chandler, Renaldo Balkman 2008 first rounder

then NJ can follow that up by trading-
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=

NJ out: Richard Jefferson wright and Collins

PHX out: Shawn Marion

so overall it looks like this
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=

Why for NJ? Get their running game back and established and try to spark up the offense a little as it's been pretty horrible this year.

Why for NYK? It's clear that new york will never rebuild so why not add more fuel to the fire, haha i know the fans want to rebuild but as long as jim dolan is the owner and/or isiah is the gm, they won't rebuild. and the latest rumors are saying that dolan wants a vince trade.

Why for PHX? Marion is still unhappy and wouldn't mind going out. they get a guy in RJ who excels at a running game and they can easily move diaw into the 4 spot to cover for marion. also, this will be overlooked but this really improves their defense. it's no question that the departure of KT has hurt their interior defense so collins can help with matchups against someone like duncan. plus wright and RJ are both above average defenders.

longfellow44 · Post #2 » by **longfellow44** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:36 pm

i'm not a fan of something like this for New Jersey they don't get enough from New York for one. I can see some of the merrit in a Jefferson for Marion trade but the value in the NY part is terrible.

VC has more value than that package.

Post #3 » by **gswhoops** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:42 pm

I can't believe you would do that first trade if you're a Jersey fan...VC should get more than that.

Pugsley_2491 · Post #4 » by **Pugsley_2491** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:56 pm

gswhoops wrote:I can't believe you would do that first trade if you're a Jersey fan...VC should get more than that.

well i tried to make it fair but maybe i tried a little too hard lol
well how about i take out nj's first rounder and give jersey, new yorks 2009 first also. so nj would end up getting nyk's first this year and next year (both unprotected)
Edit: haha maybe i'm just too infatuated with getting someone like rose/mayo/jordan in the draft lol.
but i believe that the players nj takes from ny can thrive when playing with kidd, plus i wanted some really good running partners for kidd

KnicksGadfly · Post #5 » by **KnicksGadfly** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:39 pm

...............NYK wants to glue their butthole back together after this trade.

Post #6 » by **moocow007** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:49 pm

Why on earth would NY trade a lottery pick along with a guy who's puts up 20ppg and 5apg and a couple of their young energy guys for the original "half man, half season" (who has 5 years and almost $80 million left on his contract)??????

What the heck is Vince Carter going to do for them? And before anyone starts with the "makes them better", Carter is obviously doing wonders for the Nets who's other top 2 players (Kidd and Jefferson) are better thann anyone on the Knicks.

And before anyone even has the remotest notion of saying Jamaal Magliore gives them something they lack, Magliore sucks, plays like he's got cement shoes on, can't hit the side of a barn (31% from the field for a guy that shouldn't be shooting anything that is more than 3 feet from the basket is the personification of pathetic) and is not anywhere near what I'm guessing some people either remember him being or are trying to dress up as being.

Pugsley_2491 · Post #7 » by **Pugsley_2491** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:21 pm

^^ Like i said before, it doesn't matter what you think. Dolan wants him because he's a star and can fill seats. besides he's still a good player, just not the best fit here because he's a half-court player and the nets are more fullcourt as long as kidd is here and the knicks are a halfcourt team. also, magloire is at least an expiring to have, who cares if he isn't playing.

KnicksGadfly · Post #8 » by **KnicksGadfly** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:33 am

moocow007 wrote:Why on earth would NY trade a lottery pick along with a guy who's puts up 20ppg and 5apg and a couple of their young energy guys for the original "half man, half season" (who has 5 years and almost $80 million left on his contract)??????

What the heck is Vince Carter going to do for them? And before anyone starts with the "makes them better", Carter is obviously doing wonders for the Nets who's other top 2 players (Kidd and Jefferson) are better thann anyone on the Knicks.

And before anyone even has the remotest notion of saying Jamaal Magliore gives them something they lack, Magliore sucks, plays like he's got cement shoes on, can't hit the side of a barn (31% from the field for a guy that shouldn't be shooting anything that is more than 3 feet from the basket is the personification of pathetic) and is not anywhere near what I'm guessing some people either remember him being or are trying to dress up as being.

Lol no point on trying to convince Pugley. He thinks like Isiah Thomas.

Post #9 » by **moocow007** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:34 am

Pugsley_2491 wrote:^^ Like i said before, it doesn't matter what you think.

And why would it matter what you propose?

Dolan wants him because he's a star and can fill seats.

1. How would you know what Dolan wants?
2. Despite being crap, the Knicks still have no problems filling the garden (at the highest ticket prices in the NBA). Filling seats would be a problem for the Sonics or the Grizzlies or the Bobcats, not the Knicks. I would recommend trying to pawn Carter off on the Bobcats. MJ and Carter's NC roots would be a perfect fit. You might be able to get Jason Richardson who would be better off in an uptempo game then the kinda in between offense the Bobcats run. It actually makes more sense since with Kidd 35 years old getting a lottery pick really doesn't seem to fit.

besides he's still a good player, just not the best fit here because he's a half-court player and the nets are more fullcourt as long as kidd is here and the knicks are a halfcourt team. also, magloire is at least an expiring to have, who cares if he isn't playing.

The Knicks are a halfcourt team? Why? Because they have Eddy Curry? Funny thing is Curry would be even better on the Nets where Kidd can zip him passes on the move where Curry (who despite his size is very agile) would be most effective.

But the point that seems to be missed is the Knicks are hardly a 31 year old Carter (who has to be starting a decline soon if he hasn't already) from doing anything. And I would think that a brand new young and exciting PG like Derrick Rose would be a much bigger marketing ploy than an older and ill fitting Carter.

Pugsley_2491 · Post #10 » by **Pugsley_2491** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:42 am

http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/638005.html

Pugsley_2491 · Post #11 » by **Pugsley_2491** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:43 am

i originally had it with us swapping our 08 picks with the players the same but then longfellow and gswhoops said they were crap offers from the knicks so i figured i'd bump it up a little bit

ecuhus1981 · Post #12 » by **ecuhus1981** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:56 am

No worries, NYK fans. This offer would never reach the trading table.

Post #13 » by **moocow007** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:35 am

ecuhus1981 wrote:No worries, NYK fans. This offer would never reach the trading table.

Especially after tonights game.

ecuhus1981 · Post #14 » by **ecuhus1981** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:15 am

Ah, if only one win could change the outlook of the entire season for the Knicks. That's right, celebrate your 12-26 season, NYK fans, because you've clinched the series with NJ (18-20).

Post #15 » by **moocow007** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:18 am

ecuhus1981 wrote:Ah, if only one win could change the outlook of the entire season for the Knicks. That's right, celebrate your 12-26 season, NYK fans, because you've clinched the series with NJ (18-20).

And that has what to do with Carter not being worth Crawford AND the 2008 1st AND Renaldo Balkman AND Wilson Chandler (AND Quentin Richardson)?

If we go with the players on better teams are always better than players on worse teams then the Spurs should be looking to deal Brent Barry and Robert Horry to the Hawks for Josh Smith.

You can't possibly believe that Carter is worth Crawford, Balkman, Chandler and what likely will be a top 3 draft pick.

bringinhinkie · Post #16 » by **bringinhinkie** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:41 am

i wouldnt take VC for free, let alone trade the possibly first pick iin the draft, our best player (JC), our best prospect (balk), and our first round pick last season who hasnt had a chance to prove himself yet, but looked great every little chance hes had... gtfoutta here with this crap trade

#1knickfan · Post #17 » by **#1knickfan** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:02 pm

Pugsley_2491 wrote:http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/638005.html

Ummm, I think its obvious that you are making a huge leap. There is a big difference between Dolan wanting him to fill seats and what the article actually says. It wasn't even a full article. It was just a tiny blurb in an article that mostly spoke about the Kings.

Among them are scenarios that include guard Jamal Crawford leaving town, and another