Raptors - Bulls

Fosgate55 · Post #1 » by **Fosgate55** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:12 pm

Trade ID #4418632

Ben Wallace
6-9 C from Virginia Union
4.5 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 2.0 apg in 32.8 minutes

Outgoing Players
Andrea Bargnani
7-0 PF from Italy (Foreign)
9.0 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 22.8 minutes
Rasho Nesterovic
7-0 C from Slovenia (Foreign)
4.5 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.0 apg in 17.3 minutes

Why for the Bulls?
They get a younger centre in Bargnani that apparently has a lot of upside. He will help stretch the defence with his shooting range and help with blocks because of his size. Good fit to grow with the team. They also get a seasoned vet in Rasho that has a championship ring. WOuld be a back up Centre, but still can prove him self with some valuable minutes. His maturity and leadership would be welcomed on a young bulls team. It also gives the Bulls flexibility to move a smaller contract instead of one big one.

Why for the Raptors?
The desperatly need some rebounding toughness inside. The Raptors have plenty of guys that can score and stretch the defence, but are missing that guy that makes their oppenents fear driving to the basket. They do lose Bargnani's scoring but it will not be missed as Bargs spends most of his time on the bench in foul trouble. I think the Raptors would not have lost as many games this year if they had more interior toughness.

Post #2 » by **coldfish** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:17 pm

Raptors fans haven't responded yet because everyone of them that opened this thread has had a coronary event.

Consequence · Post #3 » by **Consequence** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:20 pm

No. The only way that the Bulls get rid of Wallace is if he's packaged with an attractive asset and they take back an undesirable contract as well.

As a Raptors fan, I'll just leave the whole giving up Bargs and a shorter contract for him thing alone.

miruss2001 · Post #4 » by **miruss2001** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:21 pm

I'll start- garbage for the Raps. Thanks for coming out.

MagicFan3 · Post #5 » by **MagicFan3** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:25 pm

Bargnani may be a bust, but not enough of a bust to make them want to take on Wallace's contract.

Fosgate55 · Post #6 » by **Fosgate55** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:26 pm

No. The only way that the Bulls get rid of Wallace is if he's packaged with an attractive asset and they take back an undesirable contract as well

Last time I checked, Bargnani was the #1 draft from last year and finished second in the ROY . I would take that as an attractive asset. Bull are getting rid of an undesirable contract. Big ben has the biggest contract of all the Bulls.

Done and Done

thebigguy · Post #7 » by **thebigguy** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:33 pm

Fosgate55 wrote:Last time I checked, Bargnani was the #1 draft from last year and finished second in the ROY . I would take that as an attractive asset. Bull are getting rid of an undesirable contract. Big ben has the biggest contract of all the Bulls.
Done and Done

I believe that the Bulls would have to add the attractive asset in order for anyone to take on his contract.

Aside from that it is still garbage from the Raptors point of view.

Post #8 » by **Maritimer** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:45 pm

Disgusting. Ben Wallace might be one of the hardest players to move in the NBA with his massive contract and massively declining production. Toronto's supposed to move their #1 pick for him? Please.

True Warrior Zo · Post #9 » by **True Warrior Zo** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:31 pm

While the raps need defence and rebounding, they don't need it from a player who is overpaid and is pretty much finished as a player (from what we've seen this year). I also dont think the Raps would move Bargs just yet

Consequence · Post #10 » by **Consequence** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:49 pm

Fosgate55 wrote:
No. The only way that the Bulls get rid of Wallace is if he's packaged with an attractive asset and they take back an undesirable contract as well

Last time I checked, Bargnani was the #1 draft from last year and finished second in the ROY . I would take that as an attractive asset. Bull are getting rid of an undesirable contract. Big ben has the biggest contract of all the Bulls.

Done and Done

I think you misunderstood me. Completely.

evildallas · Post #11 » by **evildallas** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:52 pm

Yep, that trade sucks for Toronto.

If Toronto was willing to get the Bulls out of salary cap hell I think it would look more like this:

Toronto sends
Juan Dixon (expiring)
Jorge Garbajosa (1 yr left)
Rasho Nesterovic (1 yr left)
for
Wallace
#1 pick with sliding protection starting at top 10 protection.

If I'm Toronto I still might not do that because Big Ben's contract is that bad, but next season its only 2.5M more than Nesterovic and Garbajosa. So it is only the last year of the deal that really hits bad. The first rounder might be high enough when it comes over to be paired with Toronto's own pick to get a big to groom to replace Ben Wallace.

hermes · Post #12 » by **hermes** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:56 pm

Fosgate55 wrote:
No. The only way that the Bulls get rid of Wallace is if he's packaged with an attractive asset and they take back an undesirable contract as well

Last time I checked, Bargnani was the #1 draft from last year and finished second in the ROY . I would take that as an attractive asset. Bull are getting rid of an undesirable contract. Big ben has the biggest contract of all the Bulls.

Done and Done

he was saying the bulls need to send something good with wallace because no team would take him by himself

zong · Post #13 » by **zong** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:01 pm

yikes

Wallace + Deng for Bargnani + Rasho + Parker

Post #14 » by **Mr Swagtastic** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:37 pm

Toronto isn't touching this horrid deal. Ben Wallace is a joke and got seriously overpaied. I think he and Hughes have the same agent, both of them are big massive contracts that are next to impossible to move.

Toronto would offer no more then Rasho + Graham and Baston for Wallace and even that is seriously overkill for us imho since Wallace screws up our cap. The Bulls would have to start with a 1st this year like top 12 protection or a future first in say '09.

Post #15 » by **Maritimer** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:21 pm

I would not offer Rasho and Graham for Wallace. I would rather work with Rasho's expiring contract next year than try to figure out what to do with Little Ben's significantly heftier price tag.

If we're bailing the Bulls out of Wallace's deal, we need to be getting something of real value back -- Nocioni, Deng, a first round pick, Thomas, maybe Noah. Of course, that would mean a re-evaluation of the package going out, but there's *nothing* I would trade from our roster to get Wallace on his own. Nothing.

BR0D1E86 · Post #16 » by **BR0D1E86** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:23 pm

While I would approve nearly any trade removing Ben Wallace personally I wouldn't send much out with him to get rid of him.

His contract doesn't particularly hamper the team's salary structure, it's mainly that he's force-fed entitlement minutes over better players.

I'd just bench him and/or send him home and wait for him to become an expiring contract.