2 deals to make DEN a serious contender (TOR, SAC)

[basketbob]

#1 (once TJFord is healthy)

DEN sends Kleiza, ACarter, Wafer and a #2 to
TOR for Calderon, DMartin

#2

DEN sends Najera (exp), JRSmith (exp), Diawara (exp) and Atkins to
SAC for Artest, Rahim

If Nene's tumor isn't benign, then Denver adds a #1 and gets MMoore instead of SAR

If Nene is OK, could also do a simpler Najera, Smith and #1 for Artest

[chriswebb86]

As a Kings fan, I really see no reason do to a Najera, Smith, #1 (which would be late one) for Artest who also will opt out at the end of this year.

[RIPskaterdude]

Kings have enough wing players and have no need for JR Smith, Atkins, or Najera.

If we trade Artest, it's to open up playing time for Salmons/Garcia.

[basketbob]

My thinking is that the Kings get either a pick or rid of SAR's contract instead of nothing for Artest, get (in the one case) a (injured, but decent) backup PG, which frees them to take back no PG in a Bibby deal (if they like Udrih so much). They also take a flyer on a wicked talent in JRS (when somebody gets him properly focused they're gonna hit the lotto), which in turn frees them to include him or Garcia or Salmons and/or Najera in a Bibby deal. Sounds better than having RonRon stinkin' up a losing locker room to me.

[Calderoni_8]

Raptors say no they need a quality starting pg while ford is out

[zong]

toronto passes, kleiza doesnt fit in our plans for a rebounding centre or a 2nd-tier slashing wing

[rpa]

This is awful for the Kings. Why the hell would the Kings move Artest and get back, what would be, the 4th best wing player on their team. He hasn't shown any indications of being much better than Garcia or Salmons and right now his play isn't in the same ballpark

And even if Smith develops then what? He's not HALF the player Martin is and you can't be a very successful team with 2 primary scorers at SG & SF. Look at the Nuggets right now. 2 big time scorers at the wings and they're just a mediocre team.

So the Kings best return is a player who, at best, doesn't compliment their key youngster and, at worst, continues to be what he is now (which would make him the 4th best wing on the Kings). Just a completely ludicrous idea.

[positivetension]

Calderon for Kleiza? I'm speechless.

[beemaster]

I could see Denver and Toronto doing a trade of JR Smith and Kleiza for Calderon. Maybe expand it to include Atkins if TOR needs a a backup PG. Kleiza would likely start at SF for Toronto and JR adds some athleticism. Calderon provides size and passing, which Denver needs in a PG.

[positivetension]

I could see Denver and Toronto doing a trade of JR Smith and Kleiza for Calderon. Maybe expand it to include Atkins if TOR needs a a backup PG. Kleiza would likely start at SF for Toronto and JR adds some athleticism. Calderon provides size and passing, which Denver needs in a PG.

As a starter he's averaging 14pts 10assts 1.6to 50%fg 43%3fg 90%ft.

JR "disgrace to basketball" Smith and Kleiza are NOT going to land Jose. Wait you mean we can have Atkins too? How generous!

[beemaster]

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As a starter he's averaging 14pts 10assts 1.6to 50%fg 43%3fg 90%ft.

JR "disgrace to basketball" Smith and Kleiza are NOT going to land Jose. Wait you mean we can have Atkins too? How generous!

This is based on the assumption in the OP that Ford comes back healthy and the Raptors go with him as the starter. Calderon is going to get paid too much next year to have him as a backup. Kleiza is a huge improvement over Toronto's other options at SF. He would provide some intensity and strength that they are missing. Last night, Kleiza scored 41 points with the minutes he got because of Denver's injury situation. Denver is enamored with Kleiza, but they have this other SF taking all the PT.

[positivetension]

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This is based on the assumption in the OP that Ford comes back healthy and the Raptors go with him as the starter. Calderon is going to get paid too much next year to have him as a backup. Kleiza is a huge improvement over Toronto's other options at SF. He would provide some intensity and strength that they are missing. Last night, Kleiza scored 41 points with the minutes he got because of Denver's injury situation. Denver is enamored with Kleiza, but they have this other SF taking all the PT.

If Calderon is traded, it will be for a lot more than Kleiza. You're delusional if you think the trade is fair value and I don't care if he dropped 41 one game. He's nothing more than a decent SF and I don't think he's that much better than Moon or Delfino.

Calderon is a top 10 PG. Kleiza is a top 30 SF. Hmmm

[cb4_89]

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This is based on the assumption in the OP that Ford comes back healthy and the Raptors go with him as the starter. Calderon is going to get paid too much next year to have him as a backup. Kleiza is a huge improvement over Toronto's other options at SF. He would provide some intensity and strength that they are missing. Last night, Kleiza scored 41 points with the minutes he got because of Denver's injury situation. Denver is enamored with Kleiza, but they have this other SF taking all the PT.

No he is not. Even if he gets paid 10 million a year. Thats 17 million for TJ and Calderon. There are players who make 17 million a year. Having 48 minutes of great point guard play each game is worth 17 million.

[Kosta]

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This is based on the assumption in the OP that Ford comes back healthy and the Raptors go with him as the starter. Calderon is going to get paid too much next year to have him as a backup. Kleiza is a huge improvement over Toronto's other options at SF. He would provide some intensity and strength that they are missing. Last night, Kleiza scored 41 points with the minutes he got because of Denver's injury situation. Denver is enamored with Kleiza, but they have this other SF taking all the PT.

No, he's not. One 40 point game doesn't change that. Moon gives us what we need from the 3, an active shot blocker, who is one of our best defenders and goes after boards. Even Delfino is better than Kleiza, he gives us more than just scoring.

Denver has no chance of attaining Calderon, put it that way. It's a pipe dream. No chance, at all.

Calderon will get paid big bucks and we'll be ecstatic to pay him whatever the **** his value is, because he's that damn good and getting better. He's already playing at a near elite level since he's started.

No more Calderon to Denver, it's not happening!

Not unless it involves a much bigger deal with us trying to net Carmelo to pair up with Bosh. Which is a pipe dream on our side. So we'll call it a wash.

[beemaster]

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No, he's not. One 40 point game doesn't change that. Moon gives us what we need from the 3, an active shot blocker, who is one of our best defenders and goes after boards. Even Delfino is better than Kleiza, he gives us more than just scoring.

Denver has no chance of attaining Calderon, put it that way. It's a pipe dream. No chance, at all.

Calderon will get paid big bucks and we'll be ecstatic to pay him whatever the **** his value is, because he's that damn good and getting better. He's already playing at a near elite level since he's started.

No more Calderon to Denver, it's not happening!

Not unless it involves a much bigger deal with us trying to net Carmelo to pair up with Bosh. Which is a pipe dream on our side. So we'll call it a wash.

I can understand that Calderon carries a lot of value and Toronto doesn't want to trade him. I'm not saying Kleiza is on Calderon's level, but you are totally undervaluing him. To say Delfino is better is just plain silly. Kleiza is a better scorer, slasher, rebounder, just as good a shooter, and way better defensively at the SF position. His energy, intensity and toughness are an asset that TOR is missing.

[Derekman]

We need a second scorer if Calderon goes, Kleiza is not that.

[Cassius]

Ridonkulous

[Mr Swagtastic]

I could see Denver and Toronto doing a trade of JR Smith and Kleiza for Calderon. Maybe expand it to include Atkins if TOR needs a a backup PG. Kleiza would likely start at SF for Toronto and JR adds some athleticism. Calderon provides size and passing, which Denver needs in a PG.

First of all Toronto has Delfino as their backup SG who is doing a great job filling in for Parker during cool down mins. No need for JR Smith in the picture at all. Sure we would take him dirt cheap but Calderon is the best thing in this deal. Kleiza is nothing more then a prospect who wouldn't get PT here we have Bosh, Humphries, Kopono, Delfino, Parker, Moon and Garbojasa at the 2/3 and 4 why add yet another body who wouldn't help our cause? We also need Calderon as he loves the city here and is a great team guy who wants to play. His first concern he said countless times is for Ford and Garbo to get 100% better, he said that the starters job is Ford's not his and he wants to be a part of our team. Why would we want to trade a guy like that for a guy like JR Smith who was a distraction for the Hornets and was delt for a 2nd round pick.

You don't watch Raptor games I suspose Moon is our starter and is doing a great job everybody wrote him off as a NBA talent and said he wouldn't make it. Now he's avaging 8 points - 7 rebounds and 1.6 bpg as a starter and is key to our defense as he makes key blocks and key stops.

Atkins is old as hell and is just a quick fix and hasn't done anything special to be even close to being worth Calderon or making this deal fair. He's also injured and Toronto would have to start Dixon at the PG great if we want to tank for Rose or Mayo but the season is half done and no way would we get one of those guys since Minny is poised to draft 1st then Miami, Seattle and 15 other teams ahead of us in the runnings for a top prospect.

Denver takes this and runs as this is one of the most onesided deals for them I have seen in a while. We would ask for Iverson, Camby or Carmelo in a deal based around Calderon, obviously we wouldn't get Melo or Iverson.