SEA/MEM/MIA (Gasol to Sonics)

Post #1 » by **LyricalRico** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:50 pm

Seattle trades: Wally, Wilcox, Green, and Swift
Seattle receives: Gasol, M.Miller, Cardinal, Lowry, Navarro, and A.Johnson

Memphis trades: Gasol, M.Miller, Cardinal, Stoudamire, Lowry, and Navarro
Memphis receives: K.Thomas, Wilcox, Swift, J.Williams, R.Davis, and MIA 08 first

Miami trades: Jason Williams, Ricky Davis, A.Johnson and 2008 first (unprotected)
Miami receives: Wally, Green, and Stoudamire

TRADE ID 4421610

Why for Seattle? They completely reshape their roster in one fell swoop while still owning their pick in the upcoming draft. They would still have to trade either Watson or Ridnour but they can do that over the offseason.

Gasol/Petro
Collison/A.Johnson/Cardinal
Durant/Wilkins
Miller/Navarro
Lowry/Watson/Ridnour

IR - Sene, Gelebale, West

Why for Memphis? They COMPLETELY clear their cap, get a starting quality big man in return and pickup another lottery pick. It's the ultimate rebuilding plan if I ever saw one.

Why for Miami? They sacrifice future assets and luxury tax payments to try and get something going this year. Even if they don't make the playoffs they can at least work out chemistry/role issues and go into the offseason with an improved roster, knowing exactly what pieces they need.

Shaq/Blount
Haslem/Barron
Wally/Green (Jeff would still get 20+ minutes)
Wade/Wally
Stoudamire/Wade

The biggest problem I see with this deal overall is that Memphis could get significantly less value if Miami does go on a serious run after this trade. I don't think they will, though. Maybe they get the #5-7 instead of the #2 they're projected at now but I'd still consider that to be good value.

Thoughts?

wiff · Post #2 » by **wiff** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:57 pm

Gasol isn't the kind of player Sam Presti is trying to acquire.

I think value wise this is a reasonable trade but the Sonics are not close to contending and Jeff Green is going to be Kevin Durants long term running mate.

I'd rather use Wilcox and pieces to go after a guy like Dalembert and keep Green.

N.O.R.E. · Post #3 » by **N.O.R.E.** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:02 pm

How do the Heat get Green again?

wiff · Post #4 » by **wiff** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:09 pm

You also have the Grizz landing Wally but Seattle shipping out K Thomas????????

asdf1223 · Post #5 » by **asdf1223** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:17 pm

Seattle receives: Gasol, M.Miller,Lowry, Navarro
we cant refuse that one

N.O.R.E. · Post #6 » by **N.O.R.E.** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:27 pm

True, the Sonics essentially give up an aging Ray, Wilcox and Swift for some pretty nice pieces.

wiff · Post #7 » by **wiff** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:38 pm

asdf1223 wrote:Seattle receives: Gasol, M.Miller,Lowry, Navarro
we cant refuse that one

Why not? Gasol scores but doesn't play D. That's not what Presti is looking for.

What's the need of Miller when you have Durant?

In this trade it also has Cardinal along with his ugly bloated contract coming to Seattle.

Lowry is a decent young PG but the Sonics could very likely end up drafting Derrick Rose or Jerryd Bayless, so now the Sonics would have 5 PGS on their roster. Lowry, Ridnour, Watson, West and the draft pick. That creates a log jam. And Navorro is decent but the guy is a 27 year old rookie.

Durant is 19 years old...That's 19 he is the youngest player in the league. Why saddle him with three 27 year olds? Gasol, Navarro and Miller?

So just when Durant gets good these guys will slow down. That's a perfect idea. Why not just call the Sonics the T-Wolves and make the same mistake they did by never giving KG a real long term stud player next to him.

You have Durant, Green and a young stud PG in this years draft, find a wing player in free agency and cross your fingers for one of the Sonics centers to become decent.

Durant is 19

Green is 20, Gasol is 27 see the difference?

N.O.R.E. · Post #8 » by **N.O.R.E.** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:41 pm

Yeah ok wait 6 years for Green to enter his prime.

wiff · Post #9 » by **wiff** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:53 pm

N.O.R.E. wrote:Yeah ok wait 6 years for Green to enter his prime.

Why not we have to wait 6 years for Durant to enter his prime!

asdf1223 · Post #10 » by **asdf1223** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:23 pm

we get a package thats far superior to what we give up. thats the point i try to make here. getting durant a long term mate is good but equally important is getting a guy who could help him share the workload and help his progress. maybe this package isnt what is needed but durant needs a second option who is consistent and not a whinner. if we draft a pg he would take some time to develop and that would just add to the frustrations.

Post #11 » by **BBallFreak** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:48 pm

LyricalRico wrote:Miami trades: Jason Williams, Ricky Davis, A.Johnson and 2008 first (unprotected)
Miami receives: Wally, Green, and Stoudamire

Unless that's Amare... HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Darkstar · Post #12 » by **Darkstar** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:17 pm

This makes me wanna puke. Seriously.

FARMERMAN10 · Post #13 » by **FARMERMAN10** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:32 pm

eh... just on pure talent its hard for Seattle to pass up, and any non seattle fan would have a hard time believing we wouldn't do this deal.

but as Wiff says, (and I agree with him entirely), the package being acquired just don't fit Presti's rebuilding plan. We finally have a GM with the guts to go into a full rebuild, and I support Sam entirely. I am not interested in compromising that plan, despite the fact that we do win this deal on a talent to talent basis.

Hiphophead101 · Post #14 » by **Hiphophead101** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:16 am

Elaborating on the sonics viewpoint - we will trade our current talent for expiring's and the talent we want back is in PICKS. Presti seems to want to rebuild this team on future talent - or young talent.

Hoops23 · Post #15 » by **Hoops23** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:35 am

Heat is not going to trade their