Lamar Odom for free, well almost.

[shrink]

Here's my guess at why a thread that has to do with Odom-for-expirings went so far off track ...


SAC fans saw that GSW might improve their team, and so would LAL with the original proposal. So they said something ridiculous about Bynum knowing a few easily distractable LAL fans would be outsmarted, and couldn't resist argueing about how good Bynum was.

Distraction is the way I get my dog to drop a slipper too.

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that was a ridiculous statement especially coming from a lakers fan. mike bibby the only sacramento king that consistenly torched the lakers in the playoffs.

5 years ago. now he can't play D and is only good for the occasional jump shot.

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Here's my guess at why a thread that has to do with Odom-for-expirings went so far off track ...


SAC fans saw that GSW might improve their team, and so would LAL with the original proposal. So they said something ridiculous about Bynum knowing a few easily distractable LAL fans would be outsmarted, and couldn't resist argueing about how good Bynum was.

Distraction is the way I get my dog to drop a slipper too.

smills wasn't just trying to distract. he has said in every trade thread regarding lal/sac that sac would only trade artest if kobe or bynum were in the package. and he calls it fair value. i should probably just put him on ignore.

[KF10]

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5 years ago. now he can't play D and is only good for the occasional jump shot.

I hate people say that Bibby was only good only for that series. True, he was truly unstoppable in that series...(At some point of time the Lakers were double teaming him by halfcourt...Even Kobe defended him but got burned by Bibby) Bibby actually gotten better since that playoffs...

So, when Bibby got injured last year and all of the sudden he is a former shell of himself? Please dont give me that ****....

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I hate people say that Bibby was only good only for that series. True, he was truly unstoppable in that series...(At some point of time the Lakers were double teaming him by halfcourt...Even Kobe defended him but got burned by Bibby) Bibby actually gotten better since that playoffs...

So, when Bibby got injured last year and all of the sudden he is a former shell of himself? Please dont give me that ****....

no but he's aging and he's lost a step. plus his defense has fallen off a cliff. his jumper is still money, but we're not desperate for outside shooters. i'd rather have artest and cross my fingers that he doesn't go nuts.

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no but he's aging and he's lost a step. plus his defense has fallen off a cliff. his jumper is still money, but we're not desperate for outside shooters. i'd rather have artest and cross my fingers that he doesn't go nuts.

So, 29 is aging? (Bibby is currently in his prime) You could say the same thing to Kobe.... Actually, he played his best defense since his Team USA days...

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So, 29 is aging? (Bibby is currently in his prime) You could say the same thing to Kobe.... Actually, he played his best defense since his Team USA days...

i don't know. i just dont really want bibby considering our backlog of pgs.

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i don't know. i just dont really want bibby considering our backlog of pgs.

Yeah, with Fisher/Farmar/Critt as PGs...I dont understand why the Lakers would want Bibby anyways...

[loserX]

I'd like to see this thread get back to the discussion of the original poster, which is more unique and original than Bynum deals

"Odom + Vlad for Expirings" .. how does that happen?

That's awfully tough. Odom & Vlad are $18.9M this year, and pretty much no one has expirings that big. That means you have to split them up, which means no expirings for Vlad, which defeats the purpose.

But to be fair...LA wants capspace to make a max offer, right? The max next year will be $15.65M. So they don't need to get ALL expirings back, just about $15M (since they will be slightly under the cap already). They can take back $3.9M or less of contract, if that helps...effectively cutting Vlad's salary in half instead of trying to remove it all.

[tviper]

...all I have to say is, will somebody please take Kwame..please...I can't stand watching another minute with him on the floor...

[Mindflayer]

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Yeah, with Fisher/Farmar/Critt as PGs...I dont understand why the Lakers would want Bibby anyways...

If this isn't sarcasm you haven't watched any Laker games this season. With Smush the last two years anything is better at PG. Fisher and Farmer have been great this year and the only upgrade the Lakers want is at either foward position. A healthy back-up center would also be nice.

[njncarter15]

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New Jersey Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -6.1 ppg, -2.4 rpg, and +0.3 apg.
Incoming Players
Lamar Odom
6-10 SF from Rhode Island
13.4 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 2.8 apg in 36.7 minutes

Outgoing Players
Malik Allen
6-10 PF from Villanova
5.9 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.6 apg in 17.4 minutes
Bostjan Nachbar
6-9 PF from Slovenia (Foreign)
10.3 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 1.1 apg in 22.6 minutes
Jamaal Magloire
6-11 C from Kentucky
1.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 11.3 minutes
Jason Collins
7-0 C from Stanford
1.4 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 0.5 apg in 17.0 minutes

L.A. Lakers Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +6.1 ppg, +2.4 rpg, and -0.3 apg.
Incoming Players
Malik Allen
6-10 PF from Villanova
5.9 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.6 apg in 17.4 minutes
Bostjan Nachbar
6-9 PF from Slovenia (Foreign)
10.3 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 1.1 apg in 22.6 minutes
Jamaal Magloire
6-11 C from Kentucky
1.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 11.3 minutes
Jason Collins
7-0 C from Stanford
1.4 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 0.5 apg in 17.0 minutes

Outgoing Players
Lamar Odom
6-10 SF from Rhode Island
13.4 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 2.8 apg in 36.7 minutes

LA gets 3 expirings and Collins who expires next year and is definitely a better defensive C than Kwame Brown (and possible offensive judging by the way Brown has looked)

Any picks have to be thrown in? Thoughts?

[VIPER8382]

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Congratulations on a successful trade.

Due to New Jersey and L.A. Lakers being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. New Jersey and L.A. Lakers had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
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Trade ID #4421321

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New Jersey Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -6.1 ppg, -2.4 rpg, and +0.3 apg.
Incoming Players
Lamar Odom
6-10 SF from Rhode Island
13.4 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 2.8 apg in 36.7 minutes

Outgoing Players
Malik Allen
6-10 PF from Villanova
5.9 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.6 apg in 17.4 minutes
Bostjan Nachbar
6-9 PF from Slovenia (Foreign)
10.3 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 1.1 apg in 22.6 minutes
Jamaal Magloire
6-11 C from Kentucky
1.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 11.3 minutes
Jason Collins
7-0 C from Stanford
1.4 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 0.5 apg in 17.0 minutes

L.A. Lakers Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +6.1 ppg, +2.4 rpg, and -0.3 apg.
Incoming Players
Malik Allen
6-10 PF from Villanova
5.9 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.6 apg in 17.4 minutes
Bostjan Nachbar
6-9 PF from Slovenia (Foreign)
10.3 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 1.1 apg in 22.6 minutes
Jamaal Magloire
6-11 C from Kentucky
1.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 11.3 minutes
Jason Collins
7-0 C from Stanford
1.4 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 0.5 apg in 17.0 minutes

Outgoing Players
Lamar Odom
6-10 SF from Rhode Island
13.4 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 2.8 apg in 36.7 minutes

LA gets 3 expirings and Collins who expires next year and is definitely a better defensive C than Kwame Brown (and possible offensive judging by the way Brown has looked)

Any picks have to be thrown in? Thoughts?

If we are giving away Odom at less than market value, moving VladRad is an absolute must, because we need both of their salaries gone for a max deal offer. To make matters worse you send us a 2 year contract back that is almost 7 million. This is just horrible. What goal does your proposal help LA with? Please explain your logic here. As far as draft picks go, yes that could save this deal, we need Minnesota's 08 unprotected .

[chriswebb86]

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Bynum impacts the game now more than Bibby ever has. He'll impact the game better than Artest by next season. You can see half of the Lakers fans willing to trade Bynum for JO this offseason. You won't find one that would do that now. While it is hard to compare the three because they all play different positions I will say it would be easier to replace Kobe for two months than it will be to replace Bynum. The difference between Bynum and Kwame is greater than the difference between Kobe and Sasha. Ouch.

Wow, when Bynum actually wins games for his team in the playoffs we can talk. While I know he is going to turn out great there is no way he has had an impact like Bibby yet.

[chriswebb86]

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Really? Bynum has been doubled teamed all season long. Bibby has never been double teamed by us. Bibby hit open jumpers on the pick and role. Lots of guys do that. The last two years with Smush every PG in the league had their career game against us. Fisher is a poor defender so its easy to see why Bibby did good.

Bibby is healthy now. Lets see how much better the Kings are. Bynum injured, so we can see how much worse the Lakers are. Are you willing to accept that premise? Please don't tell me about the road trip if you don't agree because only one of the eight teams is over .500 and the Lakers would be favored in all but one with Bynum in the lineup.

I hope you are right, but unfortunately I think my assessment is true.

A huge reason why Bibby is never doubled team its hard to double team players around the perimeter. Also a lot of what Bibby has done in the playoffs was more then two years ago, so its hard to blame Smush.

While you may be right to a point about their impacts on their respective teams this season, there is no way that this justifies Bynum having a bigger impact than Bibby and his career.

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What about this deal if the Lakers can convince Etan Thomas to retire:

Lakers Receive: Jamison, KT, ET, Suns 1st
Trade: Odom, Radman, Kwame, Critt, 2nd

Sonics Receive: Kwame, Nick Young, cash, 2nd
Trade: KT, Suns 1st

Wiz Receive: Odom, Vlad, Critt
Trade: Jamison, ET, Young, cash

[Carl_Monday]

While I'd love to somehow get Odom on the Warriors, I'd be kind of hesitant to do a deal that gets the Lakers massive cap space next summer, cause I kind of get the feeling that they'd go after Ellis in the offseason. They would obviously have a massive hole to fill at the 4, but Josh Smith would seem like a poor fit in LA (from an offensive perspective), and I don't think that they'd have quite enough cap room to go after Brand if he opts out. Maybe it's just the pessimist in me after getting f'd over so many times as a Golden State fan, but I could totally see that scenario happening, with either Crit or Farmar being moved to shore up some other positions.

[amb1ent]

While I'd love to somehow get Odom on the Warriors, I'd be kind of hesitant to do a deal that gets the Lakers massive cap space next summer, cause I kind of get the feeling that they'd go after Ellis in the offseason. They would obviously have a massive hole to fill at the 4, but Josh Smith would seem like a poor fit in LA (from an offensive perspective), and I don't think that they'd have quite enough cap room to go after Brand if he opts out. Maybe it's just the pessimist in me after getting f'd over so many times as a Golden State fan, but I could totally see that scenario happening, with either Crit or Farmar being moved to shore up some other positions.

I dunno, the Lakers have a pretty good SG right now.