GS-Mem-Mia Gasol

[WarFan]

GS sends: Harrington, Wright, O'Bryant, Perovic, Pietrus, TE, 1st, cash
GS gets: Gasol, Warrick, Navarro, Davis

Mem sends: Gasol, Warrick, Navarro
Mem gets: Wright, O'Bryant, Perovic, Williams, Wright, Parker, 1st, cash

Mia sends: Williams, Davis, Wright, Parker, cash
Mia gets: Harrington, Pietrus, TE

Golden State gets serious about contending, without significantly hurting their cap situation next year, with a lineup of:
Davis/Navarro
Ellis/Davis
Jackson/Barnes
Gasol/Warrick
Biedrins/Croshere

Memphis gets all youth and expirings plus cash to buyout Williams. (Golden State would probably be willing to take Wright and send Belinelli to Memphis if they preferred.)
Conley/Lowry/Parker
Miller/Jones
Gay/DWright
Swift/BWright
Milicic/O'Bryant/Perovic

Miami gets two good 3-point shooters to space the floor with Shaq and Wade. Harrington's contract expires with Shaq, Haslem and Blount's. This also saves Miami a ton of money this year by getting them under the tax.
Quinn/Wade
Wade/Cook
Pietrus/Harrington/Jackson
Haslem/Harrington/Johnson
Shaq/Blount/Barron

[WizardsWorld]

Awful for the Grizz... While Gasol to GSW is definitely possible and a good fit theyd have to offer Ellis+Wright to make Memphis interested

[BBallFreak]

One thing that you'll want to correct - when you don't post lineups for the other teams involved, it gives the appearance that you're only thinking about one team (whether it's true or not).

From Miami's perspective, I believe you know where I stand. I'd take this deal in a heartbeat. It would mean using Wade at the point more than he's currently playing there, but I can live with that. We could either start he or Quinn at the spot and run with a more versatile lineup. We'd also have two roster spots open and, by my calculations, some flexibility to use part of the TPE and stay under the tax.

My preferred lineup would be:

Pg: Quinn / Wade / veteran free agent
Sg: Wade / Cook
Sf: Pietrus / Harrington
Pf: Haslem / Harrington / Johnson
Cc: O'Neal / Blount

Harrington would make the perfect 6th man. He can play two spots and stretch the floor from both. It gives coach Riley the type of balance he says he wants from his scorers. Pietrus gives us a James Posey lite. Good defense, good shooting, nowhere near the Basketball IQ. It should be a good enough acquisition to provide us with some pieces to work with next season, but not so good as to translate into a bunch of wins...

[WarFan]

I'm not necessarily opposed to sending Ellis, but Grizz fans don't seem to think that he'd fit with Conley and I tend to agree with that. That's why I gave them Dorell Wright or would offer Belinelli as they would fit better at the two. Obviously Ellis is the better player but he can't play next to a small PG and he's not really a PG himself.

[WarFan]

Thanks for the advice BBall. I was having a hard time trying to figure out how that lineup would work for the Warriors, so I just typed it out. Should of put the other ones there too.

One thing that I'm just about sure of is that GS and Miami will be involved in some kind of trade together before the deadline. Whether it's just Davis or Williams for the trade exception or something larger like this, it just makes way too much sense for it not too happen as long as Miami is over the tax and GS has that large TE just sitting around. The only thing to negotiate is what price Mullin wants for saving Miami a bunch of money.

[Hoops23]

I like the trade for Miami but I'm sure the Grizz will pass to this trade.

[jefe]

So the Grizz trade Gasol (and Warrick and Navarro) and don't receive one starter? No thanks.

[gswhoops]

Awful for the Grizz... While Gasol to GSW is definitely possible and a good fit theyd have to offer Ellis+Wright to make Memphis interested

Well, there's no way we give up Ellis + Wright so that's DOA.

[hermes]

no for the grizz

[Zo]

would it be enough incentive for Memphis if Miami were to take on Cardinal's contract??? I'd be willing to do that if we get navarro instead of GS.

GS sends: Harrington, Wright, O'Bryant, Perovic, Pietrus, TE, 1st, cash
GS gets: Gasol, Warrick, Davis

Mem sends: Gasol, Warrick, Navarro, Cardinal
Mem gets: Wright, O'Bryant, Perovic, Williams, Wright, Parker, 1st, cash

Mia sends: Williams, Davis, Wright, Parker, cash
Mia gets: Harrington, Pietrus, Navarro, Cardinal, TE

not sure if Micky would agree though???

[WarFan]

Miami taking on Cardinal w/o sending more salary leaves them over the lux tax, which is a big reason for them to do this.

I don't know if it helps value for Memphis, but they can keep Navarro. The main reason he's in this deal is that Memphis fans don't think he'll resign there if Gasol leaves, but I doubt GS would be willing to resign him to much either.

[WarFan]

Mia sends: Wright, Parker, Williams, Davis, Mourning
Mia gets: Pietrus, Harrington, Cardinal, TE

This is close to getting Miami under the tax this year, but I think it comes up just short. Even if it does, I'm not sure it's worth taking on Cardinal to get Harrington. I have no idea what's happened to the guy in Memphis, but maybe Riley could get him productive again and he can shoot the 3 well.

Mem sends: Gasol, Warrick, Cardinal
Mem gets: Wright, Wright, Williams, Parker, Mourning, O'Bryant, Perovic, 1st, cash

GS sends: Harrington, Wright, Pietrus, O'Bryant, Perovic, 1st, cash, TE
GS gets: Gasol, Warrick, Davis

[turk3d]

Mia sends: Wright, Parker, Williams, Davis, Mourning
Mia gets: Pietrus, Harrington, Cardinal, TE

This is close to getting Miami under the tax this year, but I think it comes up just short. Even if it does, I'm not sure it's worth taking on Cardinal to get Harrington. I have no idea what's happened to the guy in Memphis, but maybe Riley could get him productive again and he can shoot the 3 well.

Mem sends: Gasol, Warrick, Cardinal
Mem gets: Wright, Wright, Williams, Parker, Mourning, O'Bryant, Perovic, 1st, cash

GS sends: Harrington, Wright, Pietrus, O'Bryant, Perovic, 1st, cash, TE
GS gets: Gasol, Warrick, Davis

Maybe Nellie would do it, but I sure wouldn't. Not Wright and the TPE. We lose too much cap flexibility and would not be able to sign Biedrins, Ellis and Baron next season. Leave out Davis, we have no use for him.

[WarFan]

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Maybe Nellie would do it, but I sure wouldn't. Not Wright and the TPE. We lose too much cap flexibility and would not be able to sign Biedrins, Ellis and Baron next season. Leave out Davis, we have no use for him.

This only adds a little over $2 million to next years cap, so it's not that bad financially. Taking Ricky Davis from Miami gets them under the luxury cap which will save them at least $10 million. If GS doesn't want him at all, Miami can send enough cash (about $2.5 mil) and just buy him out. If GS doesn't use the TE by the deadline it will expire, so there is no reason not to help Miami.

[turk3d]

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This only adds a little over $2 million to next years cap, so it's not that bad financially. Taking Ricky Davis from Miami gets them under the luxury cap which will save them at least $10 million. If GS doesn't want him at all, Miami can send enough cash (about $2.5 mil) and just buy him out. If GS doesn't use the TE by the deadline it will expire, so there is no reason not to help Miami.

Not true. They can still use it after the season's over.

[WarFan]

Not true. They can still use it after the season's over.

I think it expires in exactly one year, so I guess that they could use it on draft night or something. However, if they use it over the summer they are taking on salary for next year which will cause a luxury tax problem.

[turk3d]

Not true. They can still use it after the season's over.

I think it expires in exactly one year, so I guess that they could use it on draft night or something. However, if they use it over the summer they are taking on salary for next year which will cause a luxury tax problem.

No it won't but that trade you're proposing sure will. One option is to not use it all which is what we should do unless a "cap starved" team such as Miami is willing to give us a great deal. As for Miami, why not just do the deal directly with Memphis, since the only thing we really would want would be coming from them anyways? No need for us to include Miami in the deal, that is, if we were to do it. How about all you say (minus Wright) for Gasol and Warrick? Harrington, Pietrus, O'Bryant, Perovic, 2008 1st. no TPE. That's what I would consider doing. Even though we still take a salry hit, at least it won't be as bad as what you're proposing. This deal will also work on trade checker. Miami has nothing we really want, or more importantly really need.

[WarFan]

The trade I'm proposing adds Gasol (15.1) and Warrick (2.1) to next years salary while taking away Al (9.2), Wright (2.5), Perovic (2) and the pick (1.5). That's 17.2 in and 15.2 out, so it adds $2 million to next year's salary. Using the TE to acquire a player over the summer will add salary to next year's cap as well.

Miami is in this trade to turn Harrington into expirings and Wright. Personally, I think that if Memphis wants Nocioni, I think they'd take Harrington as a substitute but Memphis fans seem to prefer expirings. If Memphis preferred Harrington then Miami doesn't need to be in this trade.

I don't think Harrington, O'Bryant, Perovic, Pietrus and a late mid-late 1st is enough to get Gasol, but obviously I'd prefer that as a GS fan.

If you don't like the trade, I can understand that. Personally, I have doubts about the team chemistry after this trade as well as whether Nellie would play Gasol and Biedrins together enough. I don't think that an additional $2 million on next years cap is a problem if it nets us Gasol. Hell, if the $2 Million bothers you so much drop Warrick and O'Bryant from the deal and it's even.

[Zo]

Mia sends: Wright, Parker, Williams, Davis, Mourning
Mia gets: Pietrus, Harrington, Cardinal, TE

This is close to getting Miami under the tax this year, but I think it comes up just short. Even if it does, I'm not sure it's worth taking on Cardinal to get Harrington. I have no idea what's happened to the guy in Memphis, but maybe Riley could get him productive again and he can shoot the 3 well.

Mem sends: Gasol, Warrick, Cardinal
Mem gets: Wright, Wright, Williams, Parker, Mourning, O'Bryant, Perovic, 1st, cash

GS sends: Harrington, Wright, Pietrus, O'Bryant, Perovic, 1st, cash, TE
GS gets: Gasol, Warrick, Davis

That would not work... JCN is the incentive for us to take on Cardinal. If he is not coming our way, we would not take on the additional salary burden.

I do know that it would not get us out of the tax, but Mickey Harrison is not opposed to pay the tax for the right player.

[WarFan]

Sorry, forgot about Navarro.