CHI/POR/NJ/ORL

gobullschi · Post #1 » by **gobullschi** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:22 pm

Chicago Trades:
Andres Nocioni, Chris Duhon, Viktor Kyrapa, Joe Smith, Adrian Griffin, Demetris Nichols, Thabo Sefolosha, and 2009 1st Round Draft Pick

Chicago Receives:
Sergio Rodriguez, Martell Webster, Darius Miles, Joel Prizbilla, and Antoine Wright

PG: Kirk Hinrich/Sergio Rodriguez/JamesOn Curry
SG: Ben Gordon/Antoine Wright
SF: Luol Deng/Martell Webster/Darius Miles
PF: Tyrus Thomas/Joakim Noah
C: Ben Wallace/Joel Prizbilla/Aaron Gray

Portland Trades:
Martell Webster, Sergio Rodriguez, Darius Miles, and Joel Prizbilla

Portland Receives:
Viktor Kyrapa(expiring), Chris Duhon(expiring), Kenyon Dooling(expiring), Pat Garrity(expiring), Bostjan Nachbar(expiring), Jamaal Magloire(expiring), Marcus Williams, 2008 1st Round Pick(orlando), and 2009 1st Round Draft Pick (chicago)

PG: Steve Blake/Chris Duhon/Marcus Williams
SG: Brandon Roy/Jarret Jack/Kenyon Dooling
SF: James Jones/Travis Outlaw/Bostjan Nachbar
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge/Josh McRoberts/Pat Garrity
C: Greg Oden/Channing Frye/Jammal Magloire/Raef Lafrentz

WHY? Are planning for a huge cap space and this way the get rid of Darius Miles and Prizbillas crappy contracts.

Orlando Trades:
Kenyon Dooling, Pat Garrity, and 2008 1st Round Pick

Orlando Receives:
Joe Smith and Adrian Griffin

PG: Jameer Nelson/Carlos Arroyo
SG: Hedo Turkulu/JJ Redick/Adrian Griffin
SF: Rashard Lewis/Maurice Evans
PF: Joe Smith/Brian Cook/James Augestine
C: Dwight Howard/Adonal Foyle

WHY? Add the perfect guy to pair next to Dwight Howard with Joe Smith

New Jersey Trades:
Bostjan Nachbar, Jamaal Magloire, Antoine Wright, and Marcus Williams

New Jersey Receives:
Andres Nocioni, Thabo Sefolosha, and Demetris Nichols

PG: Jason Kidd/Darrel Armstrong
SG: Vince Carter/Thabo Sefolosha
SF: Richard Jefferson/Demetris Nichols
PF: Sean Williams/Nenad Kristic/Malik Allen
C: Joe Smith/Josh Boone

WHY? pretty much the rumored trade

Post #2 » by **Spykes** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:25 pm

If Portland was tanking badly this season, I'd consider this deal. Seeing as they aren't, this is an awful trade for the Blazers. They would essentially be throwing their season down the toilet by doing this, and that's not what Portland is looking to do right now.

Yes, they save a lot of money, but the cost in terms of on-the-court production is just too great to actually consider this deal.

Cliff Levingston · Post #3 » by **Cliff Levingston** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:28 pm

The idea of trading Nocioni + Sefolosha for Williams + expirings is so the Bulls can dump salary. Instead, you have Portland dumping salary and the Bulls taking those crap contracts on instead, which don't do anything to help us. It's basically Nocioni + Sefolosha + Smith + a future 1st for Webster, Rodriguez and two bad, long-term deals.

This is a downright dreadful deal for the Bulls.

gobullschi · Post #4 » by **gobullschi** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:38 pm

[quote="Cliff Levingston"]The idea of trading Nocioni + Sefolosha for Williams + expirings is so the Bulls can dump salary. Instead, you have Portland dumping salary and the Bulls taking those crap contracts on instead, which don't do anything to help us. It's basically Nocioni + Sefolosha + Smith + a future 1st for Webster, Rodriguez and two bad, long-term deals.

This is a downright dreadful deal for the Bulls.[/quote]

hmm i agree that the deal with NJ is to save money. But instead bulls take on more money but get more talent.

after this proposed trade:
Martell Webster, Sergio Rodriguez, Antoine Wright, Joel Prizbilla, and Darius Miles

after rumored NJ trade:
Antoine Wright and a bunch of expirings...

DeezXXnutZ · Post #5 » by **DeezXXnutZ** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:46 pm

None of the players the Blazers are bringing in would even make the team..Blazers pass without a second thought....

Cliff Levingston · Post #6 » by **Cliff Levingston** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:51 pm

gobullschi wrote:after rumored NJ trade:
Antoine Wright and a bunch of expirings...

Actually, Marcus Williams would be the one who accompanies all the expirings.

Nocioni is roughly = Webster right now. While Webster would be a better fit for us because he can play down to the 2, they're still in the same ball park from a talent perspective.

Marcus Williams vs. Rodriguez is probably the same thing. We don't even get anyone who comes close to giving us what Smith does.

We basically take on Miles and Pryzbilla; two guys who are horribly redundant with our current squad and have awful contracts for Rodriguez (backup PG) and Webster (who would either take over the SG spot or back up the 2/3)...oh, and we get the privilege of giving up a first rounder + a young player in Sefolosha in the deal as well.

This is seriously one of the worst deals Cliff Levingston has seen for the Bulls in a while.

gobullschi · Post #7 » by **gobullschi** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:28 pm

[quote="Cliff Levingston"][/quote]

When i said Martell Webster > Andres Nocioni Its because Webster can play the 2/3, is younger, and cheaper. Which is kind of what the bulls are looking for.

Maybe its also b/c i really like Sergio Rodriguez and think hes going to be a good player so i probably over rate him but i still dont see anything special with marcus willaims.

Antoine Wright is atleast a decent player who expires.

maybe the deal could be switched so they keep prizbilla or miles and they keep webster...idk?

Plus u say we give up a 1st rounder AND thabo...well bulls could probably keep the 1st rounder and Thabo was included in the NJ trade either way...

hermes · Post #8 » by **hermes** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:40 pm

blazers don't need to shake things up now