Rashard Lewis???

[Cammo101]

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Is it at all possible for you to have a conversation without getting into this mindless bashing of the Knicks. Its not our fault your ownership gave him a dumba$$ deal.

Says the guy doing the exact same thing. You have been bashing Shard baselessly from the beginning.

[zuppafly]

just when the NBA and owners were moving towards a more respectable salary situation where only great players get Max money, Orlando went and did this sign-and-trade.

you guys may like this now, but when you realize how this will stunt Dwight's progress in the future, and how badly this move is in the long term, you will be asking to get rid of him.

You can't give big men who don't play defense Max money, learn from the Mavs.

I suppose that's why Dwight was getting MVP recognitin in the firs weeks of the season and got the player of the month in the EC for two consecutive months. Rashard has a big role in Dwight's growth this year.

[loserX]

This is a pretty silly argument. Rashard Lewis is in a good situation to succeed in Orlando because he plays with a high-motor, two-way dominant big man in Dwight Howard. They paid him way too much money (sorry, Magic fans, but it's way too much), but it's somewhat palatable for them because he is a young, talented COMPLEMENTARY player who fits very well with their franchise guy.

He would have NONE of those things he needs to shine in New York City, so there is no incentive for the Knicks to acquire him. He is not a guy you build around; he is a great complement to Dwight Howard, but the Knicks don't happen to have an extra Dwight lying around. So he would be another talented, cap-choking contract that might improve the Knicks, but not to the point where he'd be worth $40M+ per year after the tax.

Summary of my (admittedly useless) thoughts:
Rashard is very good. Rashard is very overpaid, because he is not and never will be a franchise player. He is of much more benefit to the Magic than to almost any other team, certainly including the Knicks. Magic are understandably happy to have him because of his play. Knicks are understandably reluctant to trade for him because of his contract. That's it.

[#1knickfan]

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Says the guy doing the exact same thing. You have been bashing Shard baselessly from the beginning.

Tell me if I leave anything out:

1. I've said Rashard Lewis is vastly overpaid repeatedly. True

2.I've said that because Lewis doesn't rebound well for someone who is 6'10 and part of the reason for it is because he's parked out in the perimeter. True

3. I've repeatedly said Rashard Lewis is very bad defender. Maybe an overstatement but for the most part very true.

4.I've said Rashard Lewis would not help the Knicks much if at all. Very true.

5.I've said that Rashard Lewis is not complimentary player paid as if he were a franchise player. True.

Everything I have ever said about Lewis fits into one of those 5 statements. The only times I could ever be accused of bashing Lewis is when you or a magic fan idiot slams the Knick fan base for not worshipping at the Rashard Lewis altar even though a few of them, yourself included, had the balls to say Lewis was only slightly overpaid. As a fan of a team with the largest group of overpaid players on one roster I can tell you with first hand experience that Lewis' horrid deal blows them all out the water but you're team is winning now and so you can't see it.

[#1knickfan]

This is a pretty silly argument. Rashard Lewis is in a good situation to succeed in Orlando because he plays with a high-motor, two-way dominant big man in Dwight Howard. They paid him way too much money (sorry, Magic fans, but it's way too much), but it's somewhat palatable for them because he is a young, talented COMPLEMENTARY player who fits very well with their franchise guy.

He would have NONE of those things he needs to shine in New York City, so there is no incentive for the Knicks to acquire him. He is not a guy you build around; he is a great complement to Dwight Howard, but the Knicks don't happen to have an extra Dwight lying around. So he would be another talented, cap-choking contract that might improve the Knicks, but not to the point where he'd be worth $40M+ per year after the tax.

Summary of my (admittedly useless) thoughts:
Rashard is very good. Rashard is very overpaid, because he is not and never will be a franchise player. He is of much more benefit to the Magic than to almost any other team, certainly including the Knicks. Magic are understandably happy to have him because of his play. Knicks are understandably reluctant to trade for him because of his contract. That's it.

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Couldn't have said it better myself.

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Personally I think Rashard is fairly paid for this season, but it's the next five in which he will be over paid. But as Howards gets better and they make a few deep playoff runs it will be easier to swallow the huge contract.

The last two years are really going to hurt by the way.

[Jemini80]

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I suppose that's why Dwight was getting MVP recognitin in the firs weeks of the season and got the player of the month in the EC for two consecutive months. Rashard has a big role in Dwight's growth this year.

you overpay for Rashard it prevents them from getting the other pieces they need around Dwight. That is how it will stunt Dwight, it might make him leave just like Shaq did.

[Cammo101]

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Says the guy doing the exact same thing. You have been bashing Shard baselessly from the beginning.

Tell me if I leave anything out:

1. I've said Rashard Lewis is vastly overpaid repeatedly. True

2.I've said that because Lewis doesn't rebound well for someone who is 6'10 and part of the reason for it is because he's parked out in the perimeter. True

3. I've repeatedly said Rashard Lewis is very bad defender. Maybe an overstatement but for the most part very true.

4.I've said Rashard Lewis would not help the Knicks much if at all. Very true.

5.I've said that Rashard Lewis is not complimentary player paid as if he were a franchise player. True.

Everything I have ever said about Lewis fits into one of those 5 statements. The only times I could ever be accused of bashing Lewis is when you or a magic fan idiot slams the Knick fan base for not worshipping at the Rashard Lewis altar even though a few of them, yourself included, had the balls to say Lewis was only slightly overpaid. As a fan of a team with the largest group of overpaid players on one roster I can tell you with first hand experience that Lewis' horrid deal blows them all out the water but you're team is winning now and so you can't see it.

I don't think we are so far off as it seems. Obviously Shard is a far better fit in Orlando than in NY, but to say he wouldn't help the Knicks much is IMO crazy. NY has some of the most attrocious SF play in the league, adding an elite SF would help substancially. You may not be in love with his contract, and for good reason, but with the Knicks current cap situation you will be over the cap with or without him. He may not be the star you want, but you aren't really in a situation to dictate which star player you want. Adding a guy like Shard and then a guy like Eric Gordon in the draft would make the Knicks a threat in 2 years or so.

It really doesn't much matter, because the Magic have zero desire to trade Shard.

[Cammo101]

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you overpay for Rashard it prevents them from getting the other pieces they need around Dwight. That is how it will stunt Dwight, it might make him leave just like Shaq did.

Read closely because this doesn't seem to be getting through to people...

Rashard at 8 million a year would have put us over the cap for the next 7 years. So, overpaying him DID NOT prevent us from doing anything that market value paying him would have. We can still add a MLE every year, through the draft, or at this years trade deadline with out close to 10 million in expiring contracts.

This arguement is just plain wrong. I'm not trying to single you out, a lot of people are making this same flawed statement.

[WizardsWorld]

This thread is rediculous... the Magic just signed him to a MAX contract in the offseason theres no chance in the world he gets traded. 99% likely he stays in Orlando throughout that whole contract... no one is going to want to take it on. He's one of the least likely players in the whole league to be traded.

[#1knickfan]

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Read closely because this doesn't seem to be getting through to people...

Rashard at 8 million a year would have put us over the cap for the next 7 years. So, overpaying him DID NOT prevent us from doing anything that market value paying him would have. We can still add a MLE every year, through the draft, or at this years trade deadline with out close to 10 million in expiring contracts.

The problem is that Rashard at 8 million a year would have been much easier to trade over the course of his contract. Rashard will be impossible to trade now because he is more than just overpaid he is dramatically overpaid. Your team has much less financial flexibility now that he has that atrocious contract.

Obviously Shard is a far better fit in Orlando than in NY, but to say he wouldn't help the Knicks much is IMO crazy.

I never said Lewis wouldn't help us at all. Well maybe I made allusions to that effect out of annoyance but I know it isn't true. Lewis would help us in that we don't really have any consistant outside shooting. But as a weak defender he wouldn't help us fix a very glaring weakness for this team.

NY has some of the most attrocious SF play in the league, adding an elite SF would help substancially.

I wouldn't call Rashard Lewis elite. He may be a better fit with Howard than many of these players but other than Corey Maggette all the small fowards on this list are clearly superior to Lewis. I am not saying that Lewis sucks I am just pointing out that there are way too many superior small fowards in the league to call him an elite small foward.

Paul Pierce, Josh Smith, Gerald Wallace/Jason Richardson, Lou Deng, Lebron James, Josh Howard, Carmelo Anthony, Corey Maggette, Rudy Gay, Richard Jefferson, Andre Iguoudala, Ron Artest, Caron Butler, and AK-47.

You may not be in love with his contract, and for good reason, but with the Knicks current cap situation you will be over the cap with or without him.

We'll be under the cap much sooner without him.

He may not be the star you want, but you aren't really in a situation to dictate which star player you want.

Lewis isn't a star.

Adding a guy like Shard and then a guy like Eric Gordon in the draft would make the Knicks a threat in 2 years or so.

There are much more practical moves the Knicks could make that would turn them into threats in 2 years than to bring in Lewis. Secondly, I think Gordon would have a much bigger impact in our team turning into a threat than Lewis.