Tobias to UTA w/PHI and NOP (or many others)

[KqWIN]

Spoiler:

For any of this to make sense, Tobias Harris tells Philly he would not like to return under any circumstances and wishes to go to UTA. If he can't go to UTA, he will sign elsewhere. This trade can involve many different parties. I am using NOP as an example. Here's all that must happen for the trade to go down.

1. Tobias refuses to sign with PHI under any circumstances.
2. Jazz find a taker for Favors
3. Jazz find a taker for Exum

2&3 can be the same team


This part is standard:

UTA IN - Tobias Harris
NOP IN - Derrick Favors

Why for NOP? Derrick Favors would be an instant impact player for the Pelicans at a reasonable number for a starter. He is younger than Jrue Holiday and would fit into a potential playoff push in the near future. The Pelicans have just drafted Jaxson Hayes, but he is unlikely to be ready for significant minutes. Favors is a polished, no drama, super strong version of what Hayes could be. If they like what Hayes could give them in the future, Favors can give them it right now while he develops.

Now, the part up for grabs:

Option One

NOP IN - Dante Exum
PHI IN - Large TPE

Why for NOP - Dante Exum is a young player with ambiguous value. I can accept that Dante Exum has negative value around the league, but Derrick Favors should cover that negative value.

Why for PHI - PHI understands that Harris is gone and still finds a way to get value from him. In this scenario, PHI can continue to use the remainder of their cap space on role players to fill out the team. By agreeing to this trade, the Sixers now have an extremely large TPE that they can use to bring in another player through trade. This could prove to be very useful to the Sixers as an avenue to trade for a high salary player in the future.

Option Two

NOP OUT - Draft Capital
PHI IN - Draft Capital, Dante Exum

In this scenario, PHI agrees to take on Exum. Perhaps they like him or don't find a better way to spend $9.6M this summer. The idea is that NOP would transfer the positive value they are getting from NOP to PHI to pay for the price of Exum. In other words, NOP would have to pay enough to receive Favors so that it's worth it for PHI to take on Exum.

Theoretically, Exum could go to any team with space and PHI can still get the TPE

Thoughts?

EDIT: TPE's do count against the cap, this trade is a bust.

[Luigi]

I'm sure Philly will be unhappy. But if their hands are tied, it's better than nothing.
Jazz fans go balistic, love it.
Pels? You guys do seem to be trying to field a competitive now rather than wait. This would help. Interested to see their reactions the most.

[KqWIN]

FYI: This could be done different teams with the same concept. NOP was just the first team that came to mind. PHI gets the TPE in any scenario.

Teams Potentially interested in Favors with space:
NOP
BOS
SAC
LAL
DAL
BKN
NYK

There are lots of teams that could take Exum into space.

This trade is financially feasible from UTA's side.

Favors - $17,650,000
Exum - $9,600,000

Combined = $27,250,000 * 125% = $34,062,500

[youngcrev]

Seems like a pretty shaky premise to begin with (Tobias wanting to go to Utah of all places?), but if he wants to leave, the Sixers just say their goodbyes and go try to sign someone else with their cap space.

[KqWIN]

Seems like a pretty shaky premise to begin with (Tobias wanting to go to Utah of all places?), but if he wants to leave, the Sixers just say their goodbyes and go try to sign someone else with their cap space.

Tobias is reported to have strong interest in UTA. From a basketball standpoint, it's a better fit than PHI because he will have more shots and opportunity to have the ball in his hands.

Do you really think that PHI would pass on a max TPE because they are salty? If they agree to this, they can still use their cap space all the same. The only difference is that they will have a major trade exception to potentially acquire another high salary player down the line.

[youngcrev]

Seems like a pretty shaky premise to begin with (Tobias wanting to go to Utah of all places?), but if he wants to leave, the Sixers just say their goodbyes and go try to sign someone else with their cap space.

Tobias is reported to have strong interest in UTA. From a basketball standpoint, it's a better fit than PHI because he will have more shots and opportunity to have the ball in his hands.

Do you really think that PHI would pass on a max TPE because they are salty? If they agree to this, they can still use their cap space all the same. The only difference is that they will have a major trade exception to potentially acquire another high salary player down the line.

It has nothing to do with being salty. TPE's count as a cap hold, so no, they wouldn't be able to go sign someone and still have that.

[KqWIN]

Seems like a pretty shaky premise to begin with (Tobias wanting to go to Utah of all places?), but if he wants to leave, the Sixers just say their goodbyes and go try to sign someone else with their cap space.

Tobias is reported to have strong interest in UTA. From a basketball standpoint, it's a better fit than PHI because he will have more shots and opportunity to have the ball in his hands.

Do you really think that PHI would pass on a max TPE because they are salty? If they agree to this, they can still use their cap space all the same. The only difference is that they will have a major trade exception to potentially acquire another high salary player down the line.

It has nothing to do with being salty. TPE's count as a cap hold, so no, they wouldn't be able to go sign someone and still have that.

I do not believe this to be true. Source?

[pelifan]

Not taking on Exum to bring in Favors or moving anything significant. I'd kick in some 2nds, mayyyybe Moore. No more.

[babyjax13]

Tobias is reported to have strong interest in UTA. From a basketball standpoint, it's a better fit than PHI because he will have more shots and opportunity to have the ball in his hands.

Do you really think that PHI would pass on a max TPE because they are salty? If they agree to this, they can still use their cap space all the same. The only difference is that they will have a major trade exception to potentially acquire another high salary player down the line.

It has nothing to do with being salty. TPE's count as a cap hold, so no, they wouldn't be able to go sign someone and still have that.

I do not believe this to be true. Source?

They do. I'd link to Larry coons cba but I'm on my phone. Per the premise, it's easier just to find a team for Bradley and Dante and release Favors. If it's possible to get Tobias, that's how you do it.

[youngcrev]

Tobias is reported to have strong interest in UTA. From a basketball standpoint, it's a better fit than PHI because he will have more shots and opportunity to have the ball in his hands.

Do you really think that PHI would pass on a max TPE because they are salty? If they agree to this, they can still use their cap space all the same. The only difference is that they will have a major trade exception to potentially acquire another high salary player down the line.

It has nothing to do with being salty. TPE's count as a cap hold, so no, they wouldn't be able to go sign someone and still have that.

I do not believe this to be true. Source?

The CBA.

A cap hold for the combined amount of any Mid-Level, Bi-Annual, Disabled Player (see question number 25) and trade exceptions (see question number 87) available to the team (see question number 26), if the team is under the salary cap. (Teams may renounce these exceptions, in which case they no longer are included in team salary.)

[KqWIN]

It has nothing to do with being salty. TPE's count as a cap hold, so no, they wouldn't be able to go sign someone and still have that.

I do not believe this to be true. Source?

The CBA.

A cap hold for the combined amount of any Mid-Level, Bi-Annual, Disabled Player (see question number 25) and trade exceptions (see question number 87) available to the team (see question number 26), if the team is under the salary cap. (Teams may renounce these exceptions, in which case they no longer are included in team salary.)

Ah you're right...wrap it up then