Allen crabbe to Dallas

Pinkyring · Post #1 » by **Pinkyring** » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:54 pm

Mavs out
Courtney lee
Boban
2nd round pick

Mavs in
Allen crabbe

Hawks out
Allen crabbe

Hawks in
Courtney lee
Boban
2nd round pick

Dallas needs wing shooting crabbe provides that

Atlanta gets some front court help and saves a couple million.

jayu70 · Post #2 » by **jayu70** » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:02 am

I don't mind the deal but:
1. Crabbe will be out until at least mid to late November rehabbing his knee.
2. Atlanta still has $5.3 mil in capspace so saving money is not a priority.
3. I don't know if Boban can keep up with the pace Hawks play.

Mykhyn · Post #3 » by **Mykhyn** » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:03 am

Don't see it for Dallas. Doesn't make sense to spend assets for Crabbe.

Pinkyring · Post #4 » by **Pinkyring** » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:18 am

Cklbmk wrote:Don't see it for Dallas. Doesn't make sense to spend assets for Crabbe.

Its only a second and a little cash, we are 3 point shooting deficient, we desperately need it and Atlanta is flush with young wings so crabbe won't play there anyway.

Post #5 » by **jbk1234** » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:18 am

Didn't Dallas just sign Boban?

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Pinkyring · Post #6 » by **Pinkyring** » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:24 am

jbk1234 wrote:Didn't Dallas just sign Boban?

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Yeah it'd have to be a 12/15 deal but he's not a fit here at all

Post #7 » by **jbk1234** » Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:07 pm

Pinkyring wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:Didn't Dallas just sign Boban?

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Yeah it'd have to be a 12/15 deal but he's not a fit here at all

He was really on the only signing by the Mavs this summer that I didn't like.

Mykhyn · Post #8 » by **Mykhyn** » Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:12 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:Didn't Dallas just sign Boban?

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Yeah it'd have to be a 12/15 deal but he's not a fit here at all

He was really on the only signing by the Mavs this summer that I didn't like.

How can you not like Boban?

He will decimate any teams bench. I would love him back on the Spurs for 3.5mil. I doubt he'd have left if we could have kept him for that.

Post #9 » by **jbk1234** » Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:20 pm

Cklbmk wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:Yeah it'd have to be a 12/15 deal but he's not a fit here at all

He was really on the only signing by the Mavs this summer that I didn't like.

How can you not like Boban?

He will decimate any teams bench. I would love him back on the Spurs for 3.5mil. I doubt he'd have left if we could have kept him for that.

There are scenarios where Boban is a plus player but I don't like him in Carlisle's system where you need more athletic and versatile big men. I don't like his fit with Porzingis as a better PNR defender and rebounder would've really paid dividends. The difference between a good and bad NBA team is often how the different pieces fit together. Are you getting synergy from your guys or are they further compounding certain weaknesses/flaws.

daoneandonly · Post #10 » by **daoneandonly** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:20 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
Cklbmk wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
He was really on the only signing by the Mavs this summer that I didn't like.

How can you not like Boban?

He will decimate any teams bench. I would love him back on the Spurs for 3.5mil. I doubt he'd have left if we could have kept him for that.

There are scenarios where Boban is a plus player but I don't like him in Carlisle's system where you need more athletic and versatile big men. I don't like his fit with Porzingis as a better PNR defender and rebounder would've really paid dividends. The difference between a good and bad NBA team is often how the different pieces fit together. Are you getting synergy from your guys or are they further compounding certain weaknesses/flaws.

Agree, it was a nonsensical signing when you look at fit, and especially the bigs we already had (Zinger, Powell, Maxi). It was probably nothing more than expanding the global Mavs reach by signing yet another Euro, and Cuban thinking its cool to have the 2 tallest guys in the league (minus Tacko Fall)

Post #11 » by **dakomish23** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:59 pm

When would Crabbe play? Seems like the below 9 will be the main rotation guys.

Delon Brunson
Luka Curry
Jackson DFS
KP Kleber
Powell

Pinkyring · Post #12 » by **Pinkyring** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:44 pm

dakomish23 wrote:When would Crabbe play? Seems like the below 9 will be the main rotation guys.

Delon Brunson
Luka Curry
Jackson DFS
KP Kleber
Powell

For this team he provides far more value than dfs or jackson

Post #13 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:47 pm

dakomish23 wrote:When would Crabbe play? Seems like the below 9 will be the main rotation guys.

Delon Brunson
Luka Curry
Jackson DFS
KP Kleber
Powell

Barea omission....

It is Rick Carlisle so good luck guessing a firm rotation. That's the problem with a roster with 2 starting level players and then a whole bunch of guys who probably deserve minutes but are flawed enough you don't want to see them playing 30 minutes a night.. I like your 9 as the guys he should probably start with, but I think he's going to find it hard to resist going to Barea and I think Wright and DFS are going to find their minutes shrink if they aren't able to make some shots.

I think THJ starts the season firmly in the rotation. Boban too if Powell isn't ready to go and it doesn't look like he will be.

If it were me?

Brunson (28) / Barea (12) / Wright (8)
Luka (18) / Curry (20) / Wright (10)
Jackson (20) / Luka (18) / DFS (10)
KP (20) / Maxi (20) / DFS (8)
Maxi (8) / Powell (26) / KP (14)

And I'd hope one of Curry/Wright/Jackson/DFS pushed one of the others out of the rotation nearly completely.

Post #14 » by **dakomish23** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:30 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:When would Crabbe play? Seems like the below 9 will be the main rotation guys.

Delon Brunson
Luka Curry
Jackson DFS
KP Kleber
Powell

Barea omission....

It is Rick Carlisle so good luck guessing a firm rotation. That's the problem with a roster with 2 starting level players and then a whole bunch of guys who probably deserve minutes but are flawed enough you don't want to see them playing 30 minutes a night.. I like your 9 as the guys he should probably start with, but I think he's going to find it hard to resist going to Barea and I think Wright and DFS are going to find their minutes shrink if they aren't able to make some shots.

I think THJ starts the season firmly in the rotation. Boban too if Powell isn't ready to go and it doesn't look like he will be.

If it were me?

Brunson (28) / Barea (12) / Wright (8)
Luka (18) / Curry (20) / Wright (10)
Jackson (20) / Luka (18) / DFS (10)
KP (20) / Maxi (20) / DFS (8)
Maxi (8) / Powell (26) / KP (14)

And I'd hope one of Curry/Wright/Jackson/DFS pushed one of the others out of the rotation nearly completely.

Not a fan of the Wright signing?

giberish · Post #15 » by **giberish** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:36 pm

Is Crabbe better then Hardaway?? Does adding a 2nd overpaid, marginal rotation player who's only value is shooting really help?

psman2 · Post #16 » by **psman2** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:42 pm

giberish wrote:Is Crabbe better then Hardaway?? Does adding a 2nd overpaid, marginal rotation player who's only value is shooting really help?

At least Crabbe can shoot while Hardaway finds it hard to do.

Post #17 » by **jbk1234** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:47 pm

giberish wrote:Is Crabbe better then Hardaway?? Does adding a 2nd overpaid, marginal rotation player who's only value is shooting really help?

This is about getting out of Boban's second year.

Post #18 » by **dakomish23** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:21 am

I’d go after Bjelica if I’m DAL. B/w Bagley Giles Dedmon and Barnes sometimes going up a position, he’s probably the odd man out.

48% FG 40% 3PT 76% FT 57% EFG 59% TS

DAL could do worse than having him be the 4th big man

They have the TPE to absorb him. What compensation would they need to give? A 2nd? 2 2nds?

BlazersBroncos · Post #19 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:54 pm

Brunson (28) / Barea (12) / Wright (8)
Luka (18) / Curry (20) / Wright (10)
Jackson (20) / Luka (18) / DFS (10)
KP (20) / Maxi (20) / DFS (8)
Maxi (8) / Powell (26) / KP (14)

I think playing KP 34mpg and Luka 36mpg is pretty foolish, but then again I am a fan of limiting minutes to 30-32 at max.

The lack of a 3rd scorer could make giving them those minutes necessary I suppose.

Post #20 » by **Texas Chuck** » Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:42 pm

dakomish23 wrote:
Not a fan of the Wright signing?

Nope. One, I think he's just not very good and two, I can't see Rick sticking with him if he continues to be so hesitant offensively. I get the idea of him as a big point who can help solidify the perimeter D, but Brunson is just a better player imo.