Enes Kanter Wants To Be Traded. Offers?

Ilovethebay · Post #101 » by **Ilovethebay** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 6:19 am

bucephalus wrote:
killacalijatt wrote:Harrison Barnes for Kanter

Golden State says no.

Maybe not.

bucephalus · Post #102 » by **bucephalus** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 6:24 am

Ilovethebay wrote:
bucephalus wrote:
killacalijatt wrote:Harrison Barnes for Kanter

Golden State says no.

Maybe not.

Barnes is cheaper, has another year on his contract, and is starting to find his rhythm in Kerr's system. The Warriors already have enough bigs (Lee, Speights) and I think they really like Barnes too much to give him up for a four month rental that really isn't an upgrade at a position of need.

CAE15 · Post #103 » by **CAE15** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 4:55 pm

Bubstubbler wrote:Cavs give: Love
Cavs get: Hayward and Ryan Anderson

Jazz give: Hayward/Kanter
Jazz get: Love

Pelicans give: Ryan Anderson
Pelicans get: Kanter

Irving/Delly
Hayward/Smith/Shumpert
LeBron/(Hayward)
RAnderson/Marion
Mozgov/Thompson/Haywood

Then trade Haywood/Shumpert for Larry Sanders or JaVale McGee this summer:

Irving/Delly
Hayward/Smith
LeBron/(Hayward)
RAnderson/Thompson
Mozgov/Varejao/[Sanders or McGee]

Hey you spelled LeBron wrong...

Post #104 » by **jazzfan1971** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 6:17 pm

I didn't like Love in Minny. He really hasn't changed my mind since playing with Lebron.

Pass.

old rem · Post #105 » by **old rem** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 7:53 pm

bucephalus wrote:
Ilovethebay wrote:
bucephalus wrote:
Golden State says no.

Maybe not.

Barnes is cheaper, has another year on his contract, and is starting to find his rhythm in Kerr's system. The Warriors already have enough bigs (Lee, Speights) and I think they really like Barnes too much to give him up for a four month rental that really isn't an upgrade at a position of need.

I doubt Kanter does more than Speights as #2 C.. but a bigger matter is GSW won't bid hig to keep him. They will not expire away the starting PF to rent a backup C. Kanter has value to some teams.. but this won't work for GSW...and with Hayward at SF... is Barnes even a big deal to Utah?

bucephalus · Post #106 » by **bucephalus** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 8:11 pm

old rem wrote:
bucephalus wrote:
Ilovethebay wrote:Maybe not.

Barnes is cheaper, has another year on his contract, and is starting to find his rhythm in Kerr's system. The Warriors already have enough bigs (Lee, Speights) and I think they really like Barnes too much to give him up for a four month rental that really isn't an upgrade at a position of need.
I doubt Kanter does more than Speights as #2 C.. but a bigger matter is GSW won't bid hig to keep him. They will not expire away the starting PF to rent a backup C. Kanter has value to some teams.. but this won't work for GSW...and with Hayward at SF... is Barnes even a big deal to Utah?

Hayward can play 2 guard, and Utah would love to get more depth at wing--they've started Joe Ingles, Rodney Hood, and Elijah Millsap at times this season. But Golden State is not interested in renting a big man in exchange for a solid wing with another year on his rookie contract.

stjf · Post #107 » by **stjf** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 8:37 pm

bucephalus wrote:
Ilovethebay wrote:
bucephalus wrote:
Golden State says no.

Maybe not.

Barnes is cheaper, has another year on his contract, and is starting to find his rhythm in Kerr's system. The Warriors already have enough bigs (Lee, Speights) and I think they really like Barnes too much to give him up for a four month rental that really isn't an upgrade at a position of need.

Speights is the only big who has not missed time due to injury this season. The Warriors have significantly more depth at PG, SG, or SF than they do at PF or C. The rhythm Barnes is finding is that almost all of his shots are spot ups with no defender within 4 feet, because they're chasing Curry or Thompson. Barnes role and minutes are very replaceable, either by Green or Iguodala, or Holiday or Rush (if healthy) as a shooter. The Warriors could also run more sets with Livingston at PG and both Curry and Thomson moving off ball. Barnes is an unnecessary piece.

If David Lee were expiring this season, a deal like this would be made. But with Lee's large contract looming next year, signing both Green and Kanter becomes a near impossibility. That is the real reason GSW say no. If they had a deal to trade Lee on draft night, they'd take Kanter for Barnes in a heartbeat.

bucephalus · Post #108 » by **bucephalus** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 8:45 pm

stjf wrote:
bucephalus wrote:
Ilovethebay wrote:Maybe not.

Barnes is cheaper, has another year on his contract, and is starting to find his rhythm in Kerr's system. The Warriors already have enough bigs (Lee, Speights) and I think they really like Barnes too much to give him up for a four month rental that really isn't an upgrade at a position of need.

Speights is the only big who has not missed time due to injury this season. The Warriors have significantly more depth at PG, SG, or SF than they do at PF or C. The rhythm Barnes is finding is that almost all of his shots are spot ups with no defender within 4 feet, because they're chasing Curry or Thompson. Barnes role and minutes are very replaceable, either by Green or Iguodala, or Holiday or Rush (if healthy) as a shooter. The Warriors could also run more sets with Livingston at PG and both Curry and Thomson moving off ball. Barnes is an unnecessary piece.

If David Lee were expiring this season, a deal like this would be made. But with Lee's large contract looming next year, signing both Green and Kanter becomes a near impossibility. That is the real reason GSW say no. If they had a deal to trade Lee on draft night, they'd take Kanter for Barnes in a heartbeat.

Wide open spot up shooting is still a skill. Barnes is still a decent piece, especially if Golden State doesn't have any promises from Philly (I guess it would be Philly, maybe Boston would do it) to take on Lee's expiring in the offseason. Once you've got your core locked up, your best bet to find cheap, reliable production is with guys still on their rookie contracts. The Warriors are nearing that phase, they don't want to send away one of those cheap pieces plus the picks it would require to get Lee off the books.

Stavros · Post #109 » by **Stavros** » Sun Feb 15, 2015 12:11 pm

Bubstubbler wrote:Cavs give: Love
Cavs get: Hayward and Ryan Anderson

Jazz give: Hayward/Kanter
Jazz get: Love

Pelicans give: Ryan Anderson
Pelicans get: Kanter

This is horrible

Post #110 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Sun Feb 15, 2015 6:45 pm

How much do people think he will get paid?

I wouldn't mind swapping him for Kaman on the Blazers, maybe take a win-now hit if we can groom him for not too much $$, but I cannot see how Utah would ever bite on that lol.

OGSactownballer · Post #111 » by **OGSactownballer** » Sun Feb 15, 2015 10:04 pm

I am seeing a lot of ridiculous offers here for a guy who 1) wants out and 2) has been actively supplanted by a second year player already.

Jazz fans should be prepared for a big let down here. Something like a TPE and a b/u four or scoring guard will be what they get.

brackdan70 · Post #112 » by **brackdan70** » Sun Feb 15, 2015 10:17 pm

Best case for Utah is a late first rounder, and that is probably not happening. he is young and a solid offensive big, so presumably still some upside, but D is a huge liability. can he improve...perhaps. Would be pretty concerned that his Salary will far outweigh his production in the future. As a Cs fan I'd give up the Philly Pick / s (which will be their second rounder in 2015 and 2016) for him and absorb into a trade exception. nothing more.

brackdan70 · Post #113 » by **brackdan70** » Sun Feb 15, 2015 10:23 pm

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:How much do people think he will get paid?

I wouldn't mind swapping him for Kaman on the Blazers, maybe take a win-now hit if we can groom him for not too much $$, but I cannot see how Utah would ever bite on that lol.

It will be interesting to see what he gets paid. His traditional stats are deceiving...and I bet he asks for 4/50 million or more. I think he is worth more like 4/32 or so.

brackdan70 · Post #114 » by **brackdan70** » Sun Feb 15, 2015 10:28 pm

stjf wrote:
bucephalus wrote:
Ilovethebay wrote:Maybe not.

Barnes is cheaper, has another year on his contract, and is starting to find his rhythm in Kerr's system. The Warriors already have enough bigs (Lee, Speights) and I think they really like Barnes too much to give him up for a four month rental that really isn't an upgrade at a position of need.

Speights is the only big who has not missed time due to injury this season. The Warriors have significantly more depth at PG, SG, or SF than they do at PF or C. The rhythm Barnes is finding is that almost all of his shots are spot ups with no defender within 4 feet, because they're chasing Curry or Thompson. Barnes role and minutes are very replaceable, either by Green or Iguodala, or Holiday or Rush (if healthy) as a shooter. The Warriors could also run more sets with Livingston at PG and both Curry and Thomson moving off ball. Barnes is an unnecessary piece.

If David Lee were expiring this season, a deal like this would be made. But with Lee's large contract looming next year, signing both Green and Kanter becomes a near impossibility. That is the real reason GSW say no. If they had a deal to trade Lee on draft night, they'd take Kanter for Barnes in a heartbeat.

Kanter is unlikely to contribute to winning where as Barnes is and will. no way GSW do that trade....Lee or no Lee.

TRNBA12 · Post #115 » by **TRNBA12** » Sun Feb 15, 2015 10:35 pm

I would much rather have Barnes than Kanter, Barnes is the type of 3 and D prospect it's hard to find

stitches · Post #116 » by **stitches** » Sun Feb 15, 2015 10:54 pm

According to 'sources' all the offers Utah is getting right now is for second round picks and they are not even close to biting. They think his value is much higher and aren't in any hurry to trade him. The most likely scenario right now is that we will keep him until the summer and make the QO. From then on it depends on what kind of offer he gets. In general the Jazz don't have a history of letting players dictate their trade policy and it is very possible that Kanter will stay with the Jazz even past the summer.

Post #117 » by **KF10** » Sun Feb 15, 2015 11:01 pm

RFA, shown expression(s) that he wants out from Utah, decent potential on offense and piss-poor defense.

Hmm, I wonder how much value Utah is going to get...

TRNBA12 · Post #118 » by **TRNBA12** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 12:53 am

wolves_89 wrote:
sipclip wrote:
TRNBA12 wrote:Surprised people are offering so much, I was thinking something like Bennett and LaVine for Kanter. MIN tries Dieng (PF) and Kanter as their FC of the future

If the wolves would do this deal then I would jump on it in a second if I were the jazz. I'm a really big Lavine fan and I think Bennett would be a nice fit at the 4 spot with Gobert and Favors.

No way the Wolves would include Lavine in a trade for Kanter. There is a pretty good chance Kanter is going become moderately overpaid next off-season, especially for a guy who would be a backup for the Wolves. If Utah wanted to do Bennett and a 2nd for Kanter I'd make the trade, but I'm guessing the Jazz are hoping for a better return.

I don't doubt you're correct that the Wolves are enamoured with LaVine and the Slam Dunk Contest rules out any chance of his trade. Whether they should value him that highly is another question. He undoubtably does have upside but he's still the guy that could be playing in Russia in 5 years. His production (under 10 PER, last in Win Shares, and a worryingly worse 3p% than his UCLA career suggested) hasn't blown away what was expected of him this year. His athleticism hasn't changed from college so I figure what LaVine is doing isn't surprising the 12 teams who passed on him (But again in Minnesota's case, they could've been "top 5 pick" high on LaVine all along)

wolves_89 · Post #119 » by **wolves_89** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:16 am

TRNBA12 wrote:
wolves_89 wrote:
sipclip wrote:
If the wolves would do this deal then I would jump on it in a second if I were the jazz. I'm a really big Lavine fan and I think Bennett would be a nice fit at the 4 spot with Gobert and Favors.

No way the Wolves would include Lavine in a trade for Kanter. There is a pretty good chance Kanter is going become moderately overpaid next off-season, especially for a guy who would be a backup for the Wolves. If Utah wanted to do Bennett and a 2nd for Kanter I'd make the trade, but I'm guessing the Jazz are hoping for a better return.

I don't doubt you're correct that the Wolves are enamoured with LaVine and the Slam Dunk Contest rules out any chance of his trade. Whether they should value him that highly is another question. He undoubtably does have upside but he's still the guy that could be playing in Russia in 5 years. His production (under 10 PER, last in Win Shares, and a worryingly worse 3p% than his UCLA career suggested) hasn't blown away what was expected of him this year. His athleticism hasn't changed from college so I figure what LaVine is doing isn't surprising the 12 teams who passed on him (But again in Minnesota's case, they could've been "top 5 pick" high on LaVine all along)

Drafting LaVine was in Flip's words going for the "homerun". So far, LaVine has not been a good basketball player in the sense that he currently does not make the team better when he is on the court. I would say, however, that he has shown more than enough flashes of his potential to make Wolves fans excited about his future. In terms of athleticism and basketball skills there is little doubt he could turn into star level player, the only question is if he can reach that potential. Based on watching most of the Wolves games this year I would bet he has a better than even chance of reaching that potential (which means I can't see the Wolves dealing him).

Post #120 » by **jazzfan1971** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:37 am

KF10 wrote:RFA, shown expression(s) that he wants out from Utah, decent potential on offense and piss-poor defense.

Hmm, I wonder how much value Utah is going to get...

Well, I dont think many of us Jazz fans are still valuing him as a top 3 pick. He's still a nice prospect though. Suns seem ok with IT/Plumlee for Kanter and I'm ok with that as well. So, maybe something along those lines?

No idea what the real GMs of the world are ok with though.

On sort of a tangent, I'd think all of PHO/NO/OKC would be looking for a little trade to put them into the playoffs right now. Not saying Kanter is that guy they'd be looking for, but, you could easily see a team like Pho taking a chance on Kanter if they don't have to give up a core piece.