Noel to <your team>

red_power · Post #101 » by **red_power** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:15 am

Philly going to lose in this situation any case, but espeasially if Embiid went down with another season ending surgery next day after they trade Noel

GQ Hot Dog · Post #102 » by **GQ Hot Dog** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:17 am

eagereyez wrote:
Foshan wrote:
thinkingwarriors wrote:
Why make it any more complicated than Crabbe for Noel straight up? Resolves some of the money difficulties and allows Portland to keep their 1st round pick to add depth at reasonable contracts.

Because Philly doesn't want to pay crabbe 21M per after his trade kicker.

And Crabbe just isn't very good in general. He's a negative value in any trade.

I think the sort of imagination that convinced Sean Marks to sign him to the offer sheet in the first place is exactly the sort of imagination Philly needs to fill out their wings with quality players. If you guys don't think there's any chance Crabbe fills into his contract then I understand why you pass but I think he's going to be a very good player with more minutes and the right playmakers around him. I'm not the first person to suggest this trade as I'm sure you know if you follow a certain dedicated Blazer site.

Post #103 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:25 am

Hollis Thompson for Shabazz is a lot closer than Noel for Shabazz.

phifans · Post #104 » by **phifans** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:34 am

red_power wrote:Philly going to lose in this situation any case, but espeasially if Embiid went down with another season ending surgery next day after they trade Noel

I feel you dude. The injury of Oden & Roy freaked you out. But Don't worry we'll be fine and Embiid will be fine. Just make sure taking care of your own guys

LakersLegacy · Post #105 » by **LakersLegacy** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:42 am

Foshan wrote:
Foshan wrote:
LAL: Clarkson for Noel
MIN: Muhammaed/Tyus Jones/2nd
MIL: Henson + Lotto 1st
BOS: Jackson, 2019 Memphis 1st or Rozier, 2017 Wolves 2nd
NOLA: Jrue Holiday and Ajinca.
POR: Ezli + Lotto 1st
PHX: Brandon Knight
HOU: KJ McDaniels/Montrezl Harrell/Hou 2017 1st top 10 protected/2017 Den 2nd/2017 Portland 2nd
CHA: Lamb + Lotto 1st
TOR: Ross + bebe
WAS: Wiz 2017 unprotected 1st and Thomas Satoransky or trey burkee

Updated to include all deals that have been mentioned that are just for Noel and non-multi-team deals (IMO just gets too hard to make multi team deals work in this kinda of thread)

GSW: Livingston

Post #106 » by **Foshan** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:44 am

LakersLegacy wrote:
Foshan wrote:
Foshan wrote:
LAL: Clarkson for Noel
MIN: Muhammaed/Tyus Jones/2nd
MIL: Henson + Lotto 1st
BOS: Jackson, 2019 Memphis 1st or Rozier, 2017 Wolves 2nd
NOLA: Jrue Holiday and Ajinca.
POR: Ezli + Lotto 1st
PHX: Brandon Knight
HOU: KJ McDaniels/Montrezl Harrell/Hou 2017 1st top 10 protected/2017 Den 2nd/2017 Portland 2nd
CHA: Lamb + Lotto 1st
TOR: Ross + bebe
WAS: Wiz 2017 unprotected 1st and Thomas Satoransky or trey burkee

Updated to include all deals that have been mentioned that are just for Noel and non-multi-team deals (IMO just gets too hard to make multi team deals work in this kinda of thread)

GSW: Livingston

are you a GsW fan? just trying to keep offers from their own particular teams, cuts down minimally (at least thats the goal) of that fan base coming back with 'no we'd never do that.

Post #107 » by **Foshan** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:52 am

Foshan wrote:LAL: Clarkson for Noel
MIN: Muhammaed/Tyus Jones/2nd
MIL: Henson + Lotto 1st
BOS: Jackson, 2019 Memphis 1st or Rozier, 2017 Wolves 2nd
NOLA: Jrue Holiday and Ajinca.
POR: Ezli + Lotto 1st
PHX: Brandon Knight
HOU: KJ McDaniels/Montrezl Harrell/Hou 2017 1st top 10 protected/2017 Den 2nd/2017 Portland 2nd
CHA: Lamb + Lotto 1st
TOR: Ross + bebe
WAS: Wiz 2017 unprotected 1st and Thomas Satoransky or trey burkee
SAC: Willie Caulie-Stein.

Updated:
#1 - Wiz 1st (unprotected) + satoransky or burke (This one slots #1 with the best possible pick + Burke who can't be worse than what we have at PG)
#2 - Ezli + Lotto 1st (next best pick + expiring)
#3 - Lamb + Lotto 1st (next best pick, i have confidence in CHA's ability to increase the value of their pick

I don't hate Lamb)
#4 - Jrue / Willie Caulie-Stein (tie)
#5 - Ross + bebe

wolves_89 · Post #108 » by **wolves_89** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:55 am

deneem4 wrote:Wiz 2017 unprotected 1st and Thomas Satoransky or trey burkee

If the Wizards ever offered their unprotected 2017 pick the Sixers should take it and run.

Post #109 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:02 am

Foshan wrote:
Foshan wrote:LAL: Clarkson for Noel
MIN: Muhammaed/Tyus Jones/2nd
MIL: Henson + Lotto 1st
BOS: Jackson, 2019 Memphis 1st or Rozier, 2017 Wolves 2nd
NOLA: Jrue Holiday and Ajinca.
POR: Ezli + Lotto 1st
PHX: Brandon Knight
HOU: KJ McDaniels/Montrezl Harrell/Hou 2017 1st top 10 protected/2017 Den 2nd/2017 Portland 2nd
CHA: Lamb + Lotto 1st
TOR: Ross + bebe
WAS: Wiz 2017 unprotected 1st and Thomas Satoransky or trey burkee
SAC: Willie Caulie-Stein.

Updated:
#1 - Wiz 1st (unprotected) + satoransky or burke (This one slots #1 with the best possible pick + Burke who can't be worse than what we have at PG)
#2 - Ezli + Lotto 1st (next best pick + expiring)
#3 - Lamb + Lotto 1st (next best pick, i have confidence in CHA's ability to increase the value of their pick I don't hate Lamb)
#4 - Jrue / Willie Caulie-Stein (tie)
#5 - Ross + bebe

I have the Memphis pick above the Charlotte pick.

Memphis' 1st round pick to Boston protected for selections 1-8 in 2019 (conveyable if Memphis conveys a 1st round pick to Denver in 2017) and 1-6 in 2020 (conveyable if Memphis has conveyed a 1st round pick to Denver by 2018) and unprotected in 2021 [Boston-Memphis-New Orleans, 1/12/2015]

I think you can debate if it sneaks above the Portland offer with Jackson and the 2nd, I think there is a good case.

(Also, Burke is worse than what Phlly has at PG. And I don't trust that to be a real Washington offer)

LakersLegacy · Post #110 » by **LakersLegacy** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:07 am

Foshan wrote:
LakersLegacy wrote:
Foshan wrote:Updated to include all deals that have been mentioned that are just for Noel and non-multi-team deals (IMO just gets too hard to make multi team deals work in this kinda of thread)

GSW: Livingston

are you a GsW fan? just trying to keep offers from their own particular teams, cuts down minimally (at least thats the goal) of that fan base coming back with 'no we'd never do that.

I'm a Purple and gold fan, but blue and gold are my other Cal team because I have family up there. I'm really happy for their success. GS fans are great. They love basketball and went through a lot since the 80s.

Post #111 » by **Foshan** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:51 am

HartfordWhalers wrote:I have the Memphis pick above the Charlotte pick.

Memphis' 1st round pick to Boston protected for selections 1-8 in 2019 (conveyable if Memphis conveys a 1st round pick to Denver in 2017) and 1-6 in 2020 (conveyable if Memphis has conveyed a 1st round pick to Denver by 2018) and unprotected in 2021 [Boston-Memphis-New Orleans, 1/12/2015]

I think you can debate if it sneaks above the Portland offer with Jackson and the 2nd, I think there is a good case.

Hm, I must have missed the details of the pick. That does definitely increase the value of that package *IF* BC is willing to kick the can down the road, so to speak, and have the patience for a potentially better pick down the road. I will bump that offer up quite a bit higher.

Merc_Porto · Post #112 » by **Merc_Porto** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:09 am

Rubio - Noel is the obvious choice to get Noel in Minnesota.

1 option for Philly - See what Rubio can do in a different scenario and trade him next season when Simmons comes back. He would improve Philly right away, no doubt about that.

2 option - Send Rubio to a third team in that deal.

Mich3006 · Post #113 » by **Mich3006** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:20 am

Washington offer would be on top but I doubt they´d offer an unprotected first... That Houston package is solid as well though.

dalton749 · Post #114 » by **dalton749** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:20 am

I think Noel would be a nice fit beside Myles turner for Indys future front court.

Maybe Ross to philly, Noel, Sullinger, Thompson to Indy, young, miles to Toronto

Post #115 » by **Foshan** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:05 pm

dalton749 wrote:I think Noel would be a nice fit beside Myles turner for Indys future front court.

Maybe Ross to philly, Noel, Sullinger, Thompson to Indy, young, miles to Toronto

I was actually thinking something along these lines when I saw someone propose a while back a Ross/young swap.

NatiboyB · Post #116 » by **NatiboyB** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:19 pm

I like the Lamb and a 1st deal but the deal I really think would be good value for both teams is a swap of Brandon Knight for Nerlens...

76ers: especially with Bayless out could use Knights perimeter scoring while inconsistent he can still heat up but also he can play on or off the ball on offense. He also has a good length contract at a good value. When the draft comes up this offseason they can either draft a PG (I assume they will) and utilize the lesser pick for the best wing available or utilize Knight along with the pick to trade for an established wing.

Even if they kept Knight going into next season he would still possibly start and if for example they grab a Fultz they can both play the scoring role and let Ben Simmons facilitate.

Noel to the Suns to me works because let's be honest Alex Len isn't looking good at all. Having Noel allows the Suns to get out and run a bit more and have a rim protector/rim runner in the paint. He doesn't require many touches on offense also allowing Booker/Warren/Bledsoe/Criss to get up more shots. Also Tyson if he isn't bought out may remain a steady influence on him. And while the team values cap space due to its current situations it's not a free agent destination. This move would also allow Ulis to get more backup PG minutes. I feel as if Bledsoe isn't really a true PG in the idea of getting others involved where as that's exactly what Ulis is.

I am also of the belief that the 76ers have had more than enough picks and outside of their top picks should look to start acquiring actual Current NBA players who fit the timeline they are looking for and who are on long term deals.

patman52 · Post #117 » by **patman52** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:28 pm

Jackson, and the celtics 2018 pick.

I would not give Rozier unless Noel agreed verbally to an reasonable $15-18 mill extension at the time of trade. I certainly would not give Rozier and the Memphis pick.

freshie2 · Post #118 » by **freshie2** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:29 pm

Foshan wrote:Updated:
#1 - Wiz 1st (unprotected) + satoransky or burke (This one slots #1 with the best possible pick + Burke who can't be worse than what we have at PG)
#2 - Ezli + Lotto 1st (next best pick + expiring)
#3 - Lamb + Lotto 1st (next best pick, i have confidence in CHA's ability to increase the value of their pick I don't hate Lamb)
#4 - Jrue / Willie Caulie-Stein (tie)
#5 - Ross + bebe

I'd probably flip this list and still include Clarkson. The picks are nice, but I'm more interested in pieces that fit around Simmons, so Ross and Lamb are worth rolling the dice more than a protected 1. McLemore is still intriguing...is he just not good, or just stuck in Sacramento? I really think the sixers will end up with a better record than the Kings and swap picks, so I'm not approaching a Noel trade as a tank move, plus Simmons is the "PG" in functionality, so I'm more interested in shooters than PGs.

youngcrev · Post #119 » by **youngcrev** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:54 pm

thinkingwarriors wrote:
eagereyez wrote:
Foshan wrote:Because Philly doesn't want to pay crabbe 21M per after his trade kicker.

And Crabbe just isn't very good in general. He's a negative value in any trade.

I think the sort of imagination that convinced Sean Marks to sign him to the offer sheet in the first place is exactly the sort of imagination Philly needs to fill out their wings with quality players. If you guys don't think there's any chance Crabbe fills into his contract then I understand why you pass but I think he's going to be a very good player with more minutes and the right playmakers around him. I'm not the first person to suggest this trade as I'm sure you know if you follow a certain dedicated Blazer site.

Eh. The Sixers will have some high draft picks and trade assets to fill out their wing spot. Marks was in a position where it was necessary to take some calculated risks to try and fill out his roster. He also wasn't giving anything but cap space to try to get Crabbe... and at 15% less cap than the Sixers would be.

MatthewGeigerII · Post #120 » by **MatthewGeigerII** » Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:59 pm

you should bring these all to the philly board after and do a poll ... then post the results back on here!