Best Player For RJ Barrett and 6th Overall

[gom]

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Average size and athleticism?

Don't feed the trolls.

Agreed. Barrett is a good young prospect who has excellent potential and a great focus on winning.

[Stillwater]

NY needs to get some FA to actually come there before they start looking to win now selling off lottery piks and top 3 picked players

[rugbyrugger23]

Gobert if Utah is willing to deal him

Gross. I don’t think that is even close for Jazz to consider. Barrett would be ugly with Mitchell and we all know #6 is not a premium draft slot in a premium draft.

Jazz can get better elsewhere.

If the Jazz think this team isn’t going to be a title contending team, and you are up against having to pay Gobert a super-max contract, which would be franchise killing...why would you not consider it?

You let Quin get ahold of a talented wing while he is still super young and while this may not be the best draft, it may be a draft where you land a better player at 5 than a team ahead of you takes at 2 or even 1. Such little difference between the top 6 or 7 players.

I think the Jazz have to take a good long look at it.

Barrett + #6 is a tap on the head, thanks for showing up and I remember when I had my first beer type of offer. Don’t believe me?

Check out the thread(s) on trading Gobert. Much better offers to be had. More so when you one considers the poor fit of Barrett and Michell in same backcourt.

The rest of your post about Jazz considering trading Gobert, whole other subject matter. See those threads — Jazz and non Jazz fans debating trading Gobert or Mitchell, which is best to trade or neither.

[hoosierdaddy34]

Gross. I don’t think that is even close for Jazz to consider. Barrett would be ugly with Mitchell and we all know #6 is not a premium draft slot in a premium draft.

Jazz can get better elsewhere.

If the Jazz think this team isn’t going to be a title contending team, and you are up against having to pay Gobert a super-max contract, which would be franchise killing...why would you not consider it?

You let Quin get ahold of a talented wing while he is still super young and while this may not be the best draft, it may be a draft where you land a better player at 5 than a team ahead of you takes at 2 or even 1. Such little difference between the top 6 or 7 players.

I think the Jazz have to take a good long look at it.

Barrett + #6 is a tap on the head, thanks for showing up and I remember when I had my first beer type of offer. Don’t believe me?

Check out the thread(s) on trading Gobert. Much better offers to be had. More so when you one considers the poor fit of Barrett and Michell in same backcourt.

The rest of your post about Jazz considering trading Gobert, whole other subject matter. See those threads — Jazz and non Jazz fans debating trading Gobert or Mitchell, which is best to trade or neither.

I think you are a couple years behind on the “Gobert has a more value than you think” argument. Truth is there is a lot of concern around the league about what his next contract will be and how well he can live up to it.

[rugbyrugger23]

If the Jazz think this team isn’t going to be a title contending team, and you are up against having to pay Gobert a super-max contract, which would be franchise killing...why would you not consider it?

You let Quin get ahold of a talented wing while he is still super young and while this may not be the best draft, it may be a draft where you land a better player at 5 than a team ahead of you takes at 2 or even 1. Such little difference between the top 6 or 7 players.

I think the Jazz have to take a good long look at it.

Barrett + #6 is a tap on the head, thanks for showing up and I remember when I had my first beer type of offer. Don’t believe me?

Check out the thread(s) on trading Gobert. Much better offers to be had. More so when you one considers the poor fit of Barrett and Michell in same backcourt.

The rest of your post about Jazz considering trading Gobert, whole other subject matter. See those threads — Jazz and non Jazz fans debating trading Gobert or Mitchell, which is best to trade or neither.

I think you are a couple years behind on the “Gobert has a more value than you think” argument. Truth is there is a lot of concern around the league about what his next contract will be and how well he can live up to it.

Oh no doubt Gobert has his flaws and won’t get a premium return. But a non fitting player with teams remaining star and the 6th in the infamous “weak draft” is not going to be top 3 offer.

[GeorgeMarcus]

Haven't read any posts ITT so forgive me if I'm being redundant. It's hard for me to put a finger on Barrett. I wasn't a huge fan when he was drafted, but the Knicks did absolutely nothing to foster his development in a role/system that makes sense. I don't think he would land value at this point, not because he doesn't deserve to, but because he's too much of an unknown. If the Knicks wanted to trade him it would seem like a red flag regarding their impression of him.

[hoosierdaddy34]

Barrett + #6 is a tap on the head, thanks for showing up and I remember when I had my first beer type of offer. Don’t believe me?

Check out the thread(s) on trading Gobert. Much better offers to be had. More so when you one considers the poor fit of Barrett and Michell in same backcourt.

The rest of your post about Jazz considering trading Gobert, whole other subject matter. See those threads — Jazz and non Jazz fans debating trading Gobert or Mitchell, which is best to trade or neither.

I think you are a couple years behind on the “Gobert has a more value than you think” argument. Truth is there is a lot of concern around the league about what his next contract will be and how well he can live up to it.

Oh no doubt Gobert has his flaws and won’t get a premium return. But a non fitting player with teams remaining star and the 6th in the infamous “weak draft” is not going to be top 3 offer.

I think you are selling Barrett short though. He is a talented dude...getting him out of New York and in to a disciplined setting with Jazz player development at age 20? He was a top 3 pick in a good draft for a reason.

Personally I believe you can always find a decent big man, maybe not as good as Gobert but NBA starting level centers can be found. It’s much harder to find good NBA wings and forwards, and those types of players dominate this league. Especially ones that can handle the ball and make plays off the dribble for you. The Jazz come out of this draft with Barrett and Deni Avdija, who I think most people are sleeping on, from this trade? Yes you set yourselves back a couple years, but you also potentially raised your overall ceiling with playmakers all over the floor.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

At this point if Orlando isn’t going to play him. I’ll offer Bamba +15 or Fournier & 15 lol

Just tired of this Magic squad

[rugbyrugger23]

I think you are a couple years behind on the “Gobert has a more value than you think” argument. Truth is there is a lot of concern around the league about what his next contract will be and how well he can live up to it.

Oh no doubt Gobert has his flaws and won’t get a premium return. But a non fitting player with teams remaining star and the 6th in the infamous “weak draft” is not going to be top 3 offer.

I think you are selling Barrett short though. He is a talented dude...getting him out of New York and in to a disciplined setting with Jazz player development at age 20? He was a top 3 pick in a good draft for a reason.

Personally I believe you can always find a decent big man, maybe not as good as Gobert but NBA starting level centers can be found. It’s much harder to find good NBA wings and forwards, and those types of players dominate this league. Especially ones that can handle the ball and make plays off the dribble for you. The Jazz come out of this draft with Barrett and Deni Avdija, who I think most people are sleeping on, from this trade? Yes you set yourselves back a couple years, but you also potentially raised your overall ceiling with playmakers all over the floor.

If Jazz trade the “non shooting” stud defensive Gobert — why would they trade for non shooting questionable D wing? If you draw up a backcourt mate to Mitchell, that might be the opposite description.

[tobysunsfan]

Haven't read any posts ITT so forgive me if I'm being redundant. It's hard for me to put a finger on Barrett. I wasn't a huge fan when he was drafted, but the Knicks did absolutely nothing to foster his development in a role/system that makes sense. I don't think he would land value at this point, not because he doesn't deserve to, but because he's too much of an unknown. If the Knicks wanted to trade him it would seem like a red flag regarding their impression of him.

If RJ Barret played for Memphis for example (or any great franchise), I wouldn't be as worried about his development. But the guy plays for the Knicks, who have been a trainwreck for 20 years.

This is like when the Suns drafted Bender/Chriss/JoshJackson, all high lottery picks. They had absolutely no plan for developing them, had Earl Watson in charge of them. It's no wonder they looked horrible for years, only now at Golden State and Memphis, Chriss and JoshJackson have started to improve themselves. These raw prospects have no chance at horrible franchises.

[hoosierdaddy34]

Oh no doubt Gobert has his flaws and won’t get a premium return. But a non fitting player with teams remaining star and the 6th in the infamous “weak draft” is not going to be top 3 offer.

I think you are selling Barrett short though. He is a talented dude...getting him out of New York and in to a disciplined setting with Jazz player development at age 20? He was a top 3 pick in a good draft for a reason.

Personally I believe you can always find a decent big man, maybe not as good as Gobert but NBA starting level centers can be found. It’s much harder to find good NBA wings and forwards, and those types of players dominate this league. Especially ones that can handle the ball and make plays off the dribble for you. The Jazz come out of this draft with Barrett and Deni Avdija, who I think most people are sleeping on, from this trade? Yes you set yourselves back a couple years, but you also potentially raised your overall ceiling with playmakers all over the floor.

If Jazz trade the “non shooting” stud defensive Gobert — why would they trade for non shooting questionable D wing? If you draw up a backcourt mate to Mitchell, that might be the opposite description.

This is the same nonsense Brandon Ingram went through as a 19 year old. You can’t look at what he is now, you have to look at the most likely scenario of what Barrett can be after years of nba coaching, body development, and skill development. There is no reason Barrett can’t be a good defender and shooter. I can see Barrett being a 22 ppg guy with decent shooting numbers, who can defend his position with an ability to be a secondary shot creator from the wing.

[rugbyrugger23]

I think you are selling Barrett short though. He is a talented dude...getting him out of New York and in to a disciplined setting with Jazz player development at age 20? He was a top 3 pick in a good draft for a reason.

Personally I believe you can always find a decent big man, maybe not as good as Gobert but NBA starting level centers can be found. It’s much harder to find good NBA wings and forwards, and those types of players dominate this league. Especially ones that can handle the ball and make plays off the dribble for you. The Jazz come out of this draft with Barrett and Deni Avdija, who I think most people are sleeping on, from this trade? Yes you set yourselves back a couple years, but you also potentially raised your overall ceiling with playmakers all over the floor.

If Jazz trade the “non shooting” stud defensive Gobert — why would they trade for non shooting questionable D wing? If you draw up a backcourt mate to Mitchell, that might be the opposite description.

This is the same nonsense Brandon Ingram went through as a 19 year old. You can’t look at what he is now, you have to look at the most likely scenario of what Barrett can be after years of nba coaching, body development, and skill development. There is no reason Barrett can’t be a good defender and shooter. I can see Barrett being a 22 ppg guy with decent shooting numbers, who can defend his position with an ability to be a secondary shot creator from the wing.

And this is the same thing ______ did as they shot themselves out of the league. For every Ingram their are infinite cautionary tales.

[hoosierdaddy34]

If Jazz trade the “non shooting” stud defensive Gobert — why would they trade for non shooting questionable D wing? If you draw up a backcourt mate to Mitchell, that might be the opposite description.

This is the same nonsense Brandon Ingram went through as a 19 year old. You can’t look at what he is now, you have to look at the most likely scenario of what Barrett can be after years of nba coaching, body development, and skill development. There is no reason Barrett can’t be a good defender and shooter. I can see Barrett being a 22 ppg guy with decent shooting numbers, who can defend his position with an ability to be a secondary shot creator from the wing.

And this is the same thing ______ did as they shot themselves out of the league. For every Ingram their are infinite cautionary tales.

If the kid is a worker, and you trust your player development people. There is no reason a guy that talented shouldn’t succeed.

[rugbyrugger23]

This is the same nonsense Brandon Ingram went through as a 19 year old. You can’t look at what he is now, you have to look at the most likely scenario of what Barrett can be after years of nba coaching, body development, and skill development. There is no reason Barrett can’t be a good defender and shooter. I can see Barrett being a 22 ppg guy with decent shooting numbers, who can defend his position with an ability to be a secondary shot creator from the wing.

And this is the same thing ______ did as they shot themselves out of the league. For every Ingram their are infinite cautionary tales.

If the kid is a worker, and you trust your player development people. There is no reason a guy that talented shouldn’t succeed.

Oh how many coaches/scouts are looking for a job today that hung that same hope on so many players before him.

Not saying Barrett won’t be successful.

[NotACat]

At this point if Orlando isn’t going to play him. I’ll offer Bamba +15 or Fournier & 15 lol

Just tired of this Magic squad

Fournier + 15 is a done deal.

I'd prefer holding onto Bamba

[Chuck-Cheese]

At this point if Orlando isn’t going to play him. I’ll offer Bamba +15 or Fournier & 15 lol

Just tired of this Magic squad

Fournier + 15 is a done deal.

I'd prefer holding onto Bamba

Not a Knicks fan but I would pass and not even counter

[Knickfan1982]

At this point if Orlando isn’t going to play him. I’ll offer Bamba +15 or Fournier & 15 lol

Just tired of this Magic squad

Then I hope the Magic make a better offer.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

At this point if Orlando isn’t going to play him. I’ll offer Bamba +15 or Fournier & 15 lol

Just tired of this Magic squad

Then I hope the Magic make a better offer.

We won’t we’ll run it back for the 5th year sneak in 8th because the East is piss and the FO will say look improvement.