Lakers acquire Schroder [Woj]

[Texas Chuck]

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I did more than once. Everyone of the below quotes is from me in this single thread.

Couple things -- Having other "good" posts is never an excuse for a bad post. And you were given multiple opportunities to walk back your position of 2 swaps and instead doubled down. So you don't get credit for good intentions.

In other words homer valuations or sarcastic exaggerated counters for effect are both bad for the board so avoid them.

Thanks!

I apologized. If you want blood ban me.

Relax. Nobody wants blood. But you are a regular poster who knows these rules and worked really hard before your apology to justify why it was okay. I wanted to be clear it's not good even with the other posts. That's all.

Let's get back to figuring out how to improve the Hawks and the Mavs. I for one am glad those who follow the Hawks don't want Danny Green for 2nd rounders. Let Dallas poach a useful short-term solution to a need both teams have for wings who can defend and who shoot well enough to stay on the court.

[Buzzard]

Dallas has to be the assumed landing spot for Danny at this point. I’d say there is zero chance he ever puts a thunder jersey on. The other options I’d throw out there would be Minny, Atlanta or Brooklyn.

I am not going that far. CP3 put one on so Green could as well.

If Donovan hadn’t left I’d say there was a good chance they run it back with Paul/Shai/green/Gallo/adams but I can’t see that being the plan with a new coach in place.

I do think this is a move in that direction. They will probably try to piece this out and get as many picks as possible. I am just not sure Green will be the next domino to fall.

[dalton749]

I am not going that far. CP3 put one on so Green could as well.

If Donovan hadn’t left I’d say there was a good chance they run it back with Paul/Shai/green/Gallo/adams but I can’t see that being the plan with a new coach in place.

I do think this is a move in that direction. They will probably try to piece this out and get as many picks as possible. I am just not sure Green will be the next domino to fall.

It would be interesting to see OKC go the other way with it and try and contend. They are unlikely to get someone of Chris Paul’s impact for quite some time so maybe they use the green and adams expirings + picks to pick up some star players. Adams, green & picks to the Spurs for demar and Aldridge would be really interesting. Paul/shai/demar/gallo(resign)/Aldridge would be impossible to stop.

[loserX]

Other possibilities for a Green flip that I like:

Portland - easily done with Ariza's expiring and some small sweetener
Milwaukee - harder to match salary, but a good fit. Can defend and get hot with 3s, and has what Milwaukee needs more than anything IMO: championship cred. Green already has titles with three different teams and should be able to provide the experiene presence the Bucks are missing.

Brooklyn and Indiana could use a guy like Green too, but if OKC insists on expirings it's a bigger hill for those teams.

It's pretty clear I think more of Green than most of this board does But I think he'd be a useful piece in a number of different places.

[Blazinaway]

Other possibilities for a Green flip that I like:

Portland - easily done with Ariza's expiring and some small sweetener
Milwaukee - harder to match salary, but a good fit. Can defend and get hot with 3s, and has what Milwaukee needs more than anything IMO: championship cred. Green already has titles with three different teams and should be able to provide the experiene presence the Bucks are missing.

Brooklyn and Indiana could use a guy like Green too, but if OKC insists on expirings it's a bigger hill for those teams.

It's pretty clear I think more of Green than most of this board does But I think he'd be a useful piece in a number of different places.

POR really needs to bolster the PF/SF positions, can't see them spending Ariza's expiring on Green (14.63 mil) who is an SG when they have Dame/CJ/Trent jr

[loserX]

Other possibilities for a Green flip that I like:

Portland - easily done with Ariza's expiring and some small sweetener
Milwaukee - harder to match salary, but a good fit. Can defend and get hot with 3s, and has what Milwaukee needs more than anything IMO: championship cred. Green already has titles with three different teams and should be able to provide the experiene presence the Bucks are missing.

Brooklyn and Indiana could use a guy like Green too, but if OKC insists on expirings it's a bigger hill for those teams.

It's pretty clear I think more of Green than most of this board does But I think he'd be a useful piece in a number of different places.

POR really needs to bolster the PF/SF positions, can't see them spending Ariza's expiring on Green (14.63 mil) who is an SG when they have Dame/CJ/Trent jr

Green can play SF just fine. I agree you would still have a PF problem to solve.

[zimpy27]

Anytime with a PG that isn't great defensively is a match for Green.

Dallas, Atlanta, Celtics, Nets, Blazers, Wolves, Kings

I could see Minny taking a shot with Johnson and a pick

[patman66]

Anytime with a PG that isn't great defensively is a match for Green.

Dallas, Atlanta, Celtics, Nets, Blazers, Wolves, Kings

I could see Minny taking a shot with Johnson and a pick

I can't see how Green is a match for the celts that already have Brown and smart and hopefully langford playing alongside Kemba.

[Laimbeer]

Schroeder does not replace Rondo, particularly come playoff time. The Lakers take a step back here.

[Buzzard]

Schroeder does not replace Rondo, particularly come playoff time. The Lakers take a step back here.

I think Dennis gives the Lakers more chances to take a load off LeBron. Rondo averaged 20 minutes a game in the regular season and 24 minutes in the playoffs.

He was important but Schroeder can be depended on for more, especially with the points he generates.

[getrichordie]

Schroeder does not replace Rondo, particularly come playoff time. The Lakers take a step back here.

I don't see why they can't re-sign Rondo. But if they are moving on, comparing Schroder to Rondo is just weird. You can bank on Schroder at least spacing the floor and being more of a scoring threat night in and night out more than you can Rondo. Lakers need a Schroder more than a Rondo next year. It's an improvement.

[basketballwacko2]

Here’s my shot at an ATL deal:

Dedmon, 2022 OKC 1st ret, 2022 ATL 2nd for Green, Muscala

(Muscala done separately)

That might make some sense getting out of Dedmon and getting decent player in Green, but I doubt ATL would do it.

[Swarlz Barkly]

Absolute steal for lakers. Shocked Presti couldn't get a better deal for Schroder.

[HartfordWhalers]

Added a poll, as they are always fun to look at in a year.

I have this as solid value for OKC, especially if Green gets flipped as I assume he will. For Lakers? It is tough as I tend to agree with things like:

In the meantime, there’s the little issue of Green projecting as a more valuable player than Schröder.

https://theathletic.com/2198838/2020/11/15/dennis-schroder-lakers-trade-hollinger-analysis/?source=rss

That said, I see how Dennis fits there. I think I have to vote OKC over both, based off some concern about which Schroder will be there next season:

Spoiler:

I struggle with valuing Schroder off last year, but I also do see some reasons to.

He was a very stable shooter with around a 51% TS% and then last year his efficiency jumped dramatically to 57.5%. He was a 34% 3 point shooter and now he is a 38.5% one.

What also happened is he jumped from being assisted 33% of the time to roughly 50%. That is a huge change, and immediately would raise some concern that this is a product of playing offball with 2 other pg's (Paul and SGA) and may not be replicable elsewhere.

But also his shooting from 3 when wide open or open 4+ feet before nearest defender improved dramatically. His shooting from 3 when touching he ball for under two seconds improved considerably. It is possible these are better open looks, and it is the product of Chris Paul. Or it is possible that Schroder has worked on and can now reliably burn defenses that leave him open from 3.

The gap between a 15m a year pg that is defensively weak and shoots 51% TS ... and one that can initiate and drive while also hitting 3's at 38.5% is huge.

One would destroy an already lacking spacing and be clearly negative value at that price tag,while the other could be quite useful (ignoring salary matching). And there is no guarantee that what you are getting is one or the other.

[Prospect Dong]

About the same at 2 million a point. But Dedmon is the 2nd center for the Hawks now. With the Hawks he averaged about 1.5 million a point.

You obviously love Green as your back up shooting guard and think he has some value. You should keep him at 14.6 million and the Hawks should keep their backup center at 13.3 million.

Which is why the original trade was exponentially more realistic. You're essentially giving up a couple of SRPs to move from Dedmon to Green. If you prefer Green, that's a fair deal.

The Hawks don't favor Green when they have Reddish and Huerter.

Buzzard, I don't think you can argue this while simultaneously saying that the Hawks' lack of bench depth, and specifically having to lean on Hunter and Cam, cost them dozens of wins last season. At some price, Green would be exactly what a young team in need of steady veteran depth should be looking for. I'm fine with thinking that $15m seems like a lot - but the Hawks do have plenty cap space - and that a likely fake first is too much, but you absolutely should be targeting guys like Green if you believe your own diagnosis of what went wrong last season.

[NoZoLakers]

Schroeder does not replace Rondo, particularly come playoff time. The Lakers take a step back here.

last off season "lakers wont win with rondo"

[MasterIchiro]

OKC has done a fine job rebuilding and they're still holding assets they can flip for draft picks. Chris Paul comes to mind. They already own more first round picks than any franchise in the NBA. Bet Paul nets them a couple more firsts.

[jayjaysee]

I think Dallas is a good partner as well snce they may still value creating cap space in 2021.

Dallas has to be the assumed landing spot for Danny at this point. I’d say there is zero chance he ever puts a thunder jersey on. The other options I’d throw out there would be Minny, Atlanta or Brooklyn.

Honestly, until Chris Paul is traded - I don’t see why OKC feels a need to trade Green. Bring back Gallo and Green fits really well and should be able to help develop Bazley and Dort (and SGA though he’s already clearly special)

[Buzzard]

Which is why the original trade was exponentially more realistic. You're essentially giving up a couple of SRPs to move from Dedmon to Green. If you prefer Green, that's a fair deal.

The Hawks don't favor Green when they have Reddish and Huerter.

Buzzard, I don't think you can argue this while simultaneously saying that the Hawks' lack of bench depth, and specifically having to lean on Hunter and Cam, cost them dozens of wins last season. At some price, Green would be exactly what a young team in need of steady veteran depth should be looking for. I'm fine with thinking that $15m seems like a lot - but the Hawks do have plenty cap space - and that a likely fake first is too much, but you absolutely should be targeting guys like Green if you believe your own diagnosis of what went wrong last season.

They need the production to. All these other teams seen as targets for Green have more production and they can make up for Greens lack of. So yes, I can say I would favor Bertans or Harris or Gallinari over Green by a good margin. That is my point.

The Lakers 11th, Bucks 8th, Celtics 4th, Clippers 2nd, and Mavericks 1st all have better offenses and can afford 8 points a game at 14.5 million a year.

26th in offense last season compared to the above, the Hawks are not there yet by any stretch. Let them get a top 10 offense, then they can afford to plug in and overspend on a veteran presence like Green.

Right now they need to be at least competent on the offensive end. With Trae Young and John Collins they have two scorers, I want them to spend their money smartly on getting a 3rd.

[R-DAWG]

Schroeder does not replace Rondo, particularly come playoff time. The Lakers take a step back here.

I think Dennis gives the Lakers more chances to take a load off LeBron. Rondo averaged 20 minutes a game in the regular season and 24 minutes in the playoffs.

He was important but Schroeder can be depended on for more, especially with the points he generates.

Also remember, the above statement is made under the assumption that your getting the guy who played 16 playoff games vs the guy who played 94 regular season games with the Lakers the past two years.

Remember, Rondo turns 35 in February, has missed significant time with injury the past two seasons, and from what it sounds like is looking to lock in one more payday. At that point, is it worth a multi-year commitment from the Lakers? Especially in a year where you will need to load manage Lebron, especially early on, coming off a shorter offseason.