Woj and Shams: Chris Paul to Phoenix

[Swarlz Barkly]

Booker and Paul is going to be fun to watch

[ThunderBolt]

Funny I just popped over to the GB and the general impression there seems to be that OKC didn't get much in return and that PHX killed in this trade, FWIW

We focus too much on contracts, they focus too much on names. It all checks out.

Quality of discussion on the T&T board typically is much better. Just less garbage posts and hot takes here.

[MartinToVaught]

I like Harell for the Suns more than Gallo, tbh. I think Trez has become ridiculously undervalued for a guy who had a major impact for the Clips last season (up until the playoffs, where he had many surrounding issues)

"Surrounding issues" weren't the only reason why Trez sucked so much in the playoffs. He's a hustle player who's undersized for his position, isn't a good defender and isn't a good rebounder. Nothing about his game translates to the postseason, and going up against guys like Porzingis, Boban and Jokic made it even worse. Even during the regular season, fans and local media were already begging Doc to stop favoring him over Zubac.

[clippertown]

I really hate this trade for Phoenix. It seems they do not understand that CP3 is a plodding, methodic guard that excels in a slower pace and only gets injured in a faster paced game. He also refuses to not have the ball in his hands to setup plays (of which he runs his own mostly) and as such, coaches are forced to adjust their style to CP3's speed limitations. Phoenix needs to run.

When CP3 was with the Clips and we had Blake / DJ, we were always screaming for the team to play faster. Now that we have Kawhi / George, the team is trying to play slower. I wish CP3 spent his time here with Kawhi. Phoenix will regret this move.

[HartfordWhalers]

Funny I just popped over to the GB and the general impression there seems to be that OKC didn't get much in return and that PHX killed in this trade, FWIW

We focus too much on contracts, they focus too much on names. It all checks out.

Or this was a desperate owner and a desperate GM, offering very solid value for a guy that absolutely was available for free last year.

[HartfordWhalers]

Btw, the poll results are fantastic. Such an even split between two options.

[Texas Chuck]

Funny I just popped over to the GB and the general impression there seems to be that OKC didn't get much in return and that PHX killed in this trade, FWIW

We focus too much on contracts, they focus too much on names. It all checks out.

Or this was a desperate owner and a desperate GM, offering very solid value for a guy that absolutely was available for free last year.

I mean I would say its without question that Paul's value is higher now than it was a year ago, would you disagree?

[MoneyTalks41890]

Funny I just popped over to the GB and the general impression there seems to be that OKC didn't get much in return and that PHX killed in this trade, FWIW

We focus too much on contracts, they focus too much on names. It all checks out.

Quality of discussion on the T&T board typically is much better. Just less garbage posts and hot takes here.

Oh for sure. There's a reason you won't see me on the GB much. But I think it's always interesting to see what the conversation is over there with big moves like this.

[FutureKnicksGM]

Funny I just popped over to the GB and the general impression there seems to be that OKC didn't get much in return and that PHX killed in this trade, FWIW

We focus too much on contracts, they focus too much on names. It all checks out.

Or this was a desperate owner and a desperate GM, offering very solid value for a guy that absolutely was available for free last year.

Seems to be PHX’s gm MO. Would say in last years trade down (to pick up Saric) and warren dump PHX were on the wrong side from a value perspective. And Presti took advantage this time.

[sonictecture]

I really hate this trade for Phoenix. It seems they do not understand that CP3 is a plodding, methodic guard that excels in a slower pace and only gets injured in a faster paced game. He also refuses to not have the ball in his hands to setup plays (of which he runs his own mostly) and as such, coaches are forced to adjust their style to CP3's speed limitations. Phoenix needs to run.

When CP3 was with the Clips and we had Blake / DJ, we were always screaming for the team to play faster. Now that we have Kawhi / George, the team is trying to play slower. I wish CP3 spent his time here with Kawhi. Phoenix will regret this move.

That is not the way Paul played last year w/ OKC. A slower pace, yes, but he shared the ball w/ SGA and Schroder, who both improved, while keeping Gallo and Adams happy.

[sonictecture]

Funny I just popped over to the GB and the general impression there seems to be that OKC didn't get much in return and that PHX killed in this trade, FWIW

We focus too much on contracts, they focus too much on names. It all checks out.

Or this was a desperate owner and a desperate GM, offering very solid value for a guy that absolutely was available for free last year.

You have always been wrong about Paul’s value in Presti’s eyes, he was never available for free.

[Revived]

I'm obviously really happy about OKC's end here, but setting aside whether the value was bad, good, or just right for PHX, Chris Paul is going to dramatically change the fortunes of the Suns if he's healthy.

Here is what I think this board loses sight of at times --- there just aren't enough players of Paul's caliber available. So getting one is almost always a positive. In this deal the player loss is nothing and yeah there is some risk with those specific protections on the pick, but you are getting a guy who was really great last year and played every night.

We are right to look at contracts and age and injury risk and all of that. But not ahead of what is the most valuable and hard to obtain thing in the Association -- star impact.

Get a star. You pretty much win.

How impactful is a star that’s sitting on the bench? How impactful was Steve Nash on the Lakers?

I think we can all agree that last season was a huge anomaly in the career of Chris Paul (in terms of staying healthy). To go from a 29 yr old well respected leader Ricky Rubio to that won’t be such a smooth transition. This move for the Suns is relying entirely on the health of a 35 yr old PG that has a super rich injury history.

[MoneyTalks41890]

I'm obviously really happy about OKC's end here, but setting aside whether the value was bad, good, or just right for PHX, Chris Paul is going to dramatically change the fortunes of the Suns if he's healthy.

Here is what I think this board loses sight of at times --- there just aren't enough players of Paul's caliber available. So getting one is almost always a positive. In this deal the player loss is nothing and yeah there is some risk with those specific protections on the pick, but you are getting a guy who was really great last year and played every night.

We are right to look at contracts and age and injury risk and all of that. But not ahead of what is the most valuable and hard to obtain thing in the Association -- star impact.

Get a star. You pretty much win.

How impactful is a star that’s sitting on the bench? How impactful was Steve Nash on the Lakers?

I think we can all agree that last season was a huge anomaly in the career of Chris Paul. To go from a 29 yr old well respected leader Ricky Rubio to that won’t be such a smooth transition. This move for the Suns is relying entirely on the health of a 35 yr old PG that has a super rich injury history.

I have absolutely no idea what you’re trying to say here

[sonictecture]

I'm obviously really happy about OKC's end here, but setting aside whether the value was bad, good, or just right for PHX, Chris Paul is going to dramatically change the fortunes of the Suns if he's healthy.

Here is what I think this board loses sight of at times --- there just aren't enough players of Paul's caliber available. So getting one is almost always a positive. In this deal the player loss is nothing and yeah there is some risk with those specific protections on the pick, but you are getting a guy who was really great last year and played every night.

We are right to look at contracts and age and injury risk and all of that. But not ahead of what is the most valuable and hard to obtain thing in the Association -- star impact.

Get a star. You pretty much win.

How impactful is a star that’s sitting on the bench? How impactful was Steve Nash on the Lakers?

I think we can all agree that last season was a huge anomaly in the career of Chris Paul. To go from a 29 yr old well respected leader Ricky Rubio to that won’t be such a smooth transition. This move for the Suns is relying entirely on the health of a 35 yr old PG that has a super rich injury history.

Anomaly? No. He’s been one of the best guards in the league his entire career. He was again last year.
Not because he dominated the ball or scored 30ppg, but because he impacted winning.

[clippertown]

I really hate this trade for Phoenix. It seems they do not understand that CP3 is a plodding, methodic guard that excels in a slower pace and only gets injured in a faster paced game. He also refuses to not have the ball in his hands to setup plays (of which he runs his own mostly) and as such, coaches are forced to adjust their style to CP3's speed limitations. Phoenix needs to run.

When CP3 was with the Clips and we had Blake / DJ, we were always screaming for the team to play faster. Now that we have Kawhi / George, the team is trying to play slower. I wish CP3 spent his time here with Kawhi. Phoenix will regret this move.

That is not the way Paul played last year w/ OKC. A slower pace, yes, but he shared the ball w/ SGA and Schroder, who both improved, while keeping Gallo and Adams happy.

OKC has a different lineup to PHX. In OKC, CP3 was training SGA and had confidence in Schroders ability to handle the ball as a facilitator. In PHX, CP3 is the only legit facilitator in the lineup. Booker will always try to score before passing. In OKC, they had limited offense and needed a lot of ball movement. In PHX, they are more of an ISO team with plenty of scoring already.

In addition, CP3 will look to shoot much more than Rubio and that can disrupt Bookers “beat me first” scoring mentality. If you force CP3 to become a catch and shoot player, then this becomes massive overpay.

[Revived]

Here is what I think this board loses sight of at times --- there just aren't enough players of Paul's caliber available. So getting one is almost always a positive. In this deal the player loss is nothing and yeah there is some risk with those specific protections on the pick, but you are getting a guy who was really great last year and played every night.

We are right to look at contracts and age and injury risk and all of that. But not ahead of what is the most valuable and hard to obtain thing in the Association -- star impact.

Get a star. You pretty much win.

How impactful is a star that’s sitting on the bench? How impactful was Steve Nash on the Lakers?

I think we can all agree that last season was a huge anomaly in the career of Chris Paul. To go from a 29 yr old well respected leader Ricky Rubio to that won’t be such a smooth transition. This move for the Suns is relying entirely on the health of a 35 yr old PG that has a super rich injury history.

I have absolutely no idea what you’re trying to say here

Here is what I think this board loses sight of at times --- there just aren't enough players of Paul's caliber available. So getting one is almost always a positive. In this deal the player loss is nothing and yeah there is some risk with those specific protections on the pick, but you are getting a guy who was really great last year and played every night.

We are right to look at contracts and age and injury risk and all of that. But not ahead of what is the most valuable and hard to obtain thing in the Association -- star impact.

Get a star. You pretty much win.

How impactful is a star that’s sitting on the bench? How impactful was Steve Nash on the Lakers?

I think we can all agree that last season was a huge anomaly in the career of Chris Paul. To go from a 29 yr old well respected leader Ricky Rubio to that won’t be such a smooth transition. This move for the Suns is relying entirely on the health of a 35 yr old PG that has a super rich injury history.

Anomaly? No. He’s been one of the best guards in the league his entire career. He was again last year.
Not because he dominated the ball or scored 30ppg, but because he impacted winning.

It was anomaly that he stayed healthy. I don’t care if he’s prime MJ, he’s of no use if he’s in a suit on the bench.

He’s been injury prone his whole career. One fluke season last year isn’t gonna change that as he gets even older.

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Hate it more for the Suns now. Means no Gallo?

[Scoot McGroot]

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Hate it more for the Suns now. Means no Gallo?

They’ll likely operate over the cap and try and re sign Baynes and Saric and use the non taxpayer MLE instead.

[Skin]

PHX got better, but they're still pretenders. Paul will be good for the young player development though.

OKC is armed and dangerous, but they will find it hard to rebuild unless they can package picks to move up for a premium pick.