redslastlaugh wrote:I didn’t know that about unguaranteed contracts.
Not saying Houston would move him for 35 year old Jrue
Haha that's exactly the trade you posted though

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redslastlaugh wrote:I didn’t know that about unguaranteed contracts.
Not saying Houston would move him for 35 year old Jrue
hugepatsfan wrote:redslastlaugh wrote:I didn’t know that about unguaranteed contracts.
Not saying Houston would move him for 35 year old Jrue
Haha that's exactly the trade you posted though
redslastlaugh wrote:Not saying Houston would move him for 35 year old Jrue
redslastlaugh wrote:Houston receives Jrue Holiday
Utah receives Reed Sheppard
Boston receives Jock Landale (unguaranteed), KJ Martin (unguarantee), Jordan Clarkson
redslastlaugh wrote:I didn’t know that about unguaranteed contracts.
About Reed Sheppard, generally I’d agree you don’t want to give up on a point guard picked third overall (see Chauncey B.) but in this case, Houston has so many young guys, future picks coming in, a win now coach and the particulars around the top of the 2024 draft being weak and all things considered, I’d argue Reed Sheppard is not the typical top three pick. Not saying Houston would move him for 35 year old Jrue but that that notion is less absurd than it’d be for most third overall picks after their rookie year.
basketballwacko2 wrote:ReggiesKnicks wrote:Holiday was a player who would decline once his athleticism went as a smaller wing defender. Once his quickness leaves the building (or body in this case) it's just hard for him to be effective on either side of the court.
Realistic ideas? I don't see any team wanting to commit to 3 years of Jrue Holiday at this stage.
I felt like that contract they gave him was ill advised. I think they'll have to pay someone to take that contract. He might have a positive effect on a team with a young point guard who needs a mentor but then there's 2 more seasons at a lot of money.
NYG wrote:So which teams would want Jrue Holiday this off-season? Let's start there.
djFan71 wrote:NYG wrote:So which teams would want Jrue Holiday this off-season? Let's start there.
To me it's vet teams that can make room and/or have contracts now to get rid of and/or up and coming contenders that want that vet leadership. In no order, I can see any of these teams interested:
Lakers, Clippers, Rockets, Mavs, Spurs, Magic, maybe Pistons.
I don't know all of their cap/apron status, so some may be out due to that. But on the court, he'd fit on those teams….
jbk1234 wrote:Not with respect to Jrue specifically, but older stars on really expensive contracts is starting to feel like the mortgage-backed-security crisis.
NYG wrote:Caleb Martin or Naji Marshall to any team with a non-tax MLE
--Some team in need of a wing gets a cheap one for free
Daniel Gafford to the Lakers
--Lakers get a center
Max Christie and Rui Hachimura to the Celtics
--Rui new Horford, Christie provides some of what Jrue did
Jrue Holiday to the Mavericks
--Lively/AD/(Martin or Naji)/Jrue/Kyrie
NYG wrote:Caleb Martin or Naji Marshall to any team with a non-tax MLE
--Some team in need of a wing gets a cheap one for free
Daniel Gafford to the Lakers
--Lakers get a center
Max Christie and Rui Hachimura to the Celtics
--Rui new Horford, Christie provides some of what Jrue did
Jrue Holiday to the Mavericks
--Lively/AD/(Martin or Naji)/Jrue/Kyrie
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Texas Chuck wrote:NYG wrote:Caleb Martin or Naji Marshall to any team with a non-tax MLE
--Some team in need of a wing gets a cheap one for free
Daniel Gafford to the Lakers
--Lakers get a center
Max Christie and Rui Hachimura to the Celtics
--Rui new Horford, Christie provides some of what Jrue did
Jrue Holiday to the Mavericks
--Lively/AD/(Martin or Naji)/Jrue/Kyrie
This seems really bad for Dallas, no? I love Jrue and if this was 3 years ago Jrue, okay sure. But I think if Dallas had interest the deal is probably Gafford/Klay as the salary matching and then one can argue if Dallas needs to add this year's pick or something.
Christie certainly wouldn't be in the trade... IMO...djFan71 wrote:Texas Chuck wrote:NYG wrote:Caleb Martin or Naji Marshall to any team with a non-tax MLE
--Some team in need of a wing gets a cheap one for free
Daniel Gafford to the Lakers
--Lakers get a center
Max Christie and Rui Hachimura to the Celtics
--Rui new Horford, Christie provides some of what Jrue did
Jrue Holiday to the Mavericks
--Lively/AD/(Martin or Naji)/Jrue/Kyrie
This seems really bad for Dallas, no? I love Jrue and if this was 3 years ago Jrue, okay sure. But I think if Dallas had interest the deal is probably Gafford/Klay as the salary matching and then one can argue if Dallas needs to add this year's pick or something.
Agreed. Both Christie and Naji seems harsh. How does DAL see Klay? Salary ballast or positive value. From afar i can’t tell if it’s insulting to include him or if you’re happy to get off the $. Or Naji for that matter, same question.
Texas Chuck wrote:NYG wrote:Caleb Martin or Naji Marshall to any team with a non-tax MLE
--Some team in need of a wing gets a cheap one for free
Daniel Gafford to the Lakers
--Lakers get a center
Max Christie and Rui Hachimura to the Celtics
--Rui new Horford, Christie provides some of what Jrue did
Jrue Holiday to the Mavericks
--Lively/AD/(Martin or Naji)/Jrue/Kyrie
This seems really bad for Dallas, no? I love Jrue and if this was 3 years ago Jrue, okay sure. But I think if Dallas had interest the deal is probably Gafford/Klay as the salary matching and then one can argue if Dallas needs to add this year's pick or something.
hugepatsfan wrote:Because of apron rules, I think DAL needs to send out more than Jrue's salary. I think they're a really, really solid fit for him on the court though. I think them keeping Klay makes more sense though. Part of why Jrue fits there well, IMO, is because they have an older player timeline with Kyrie/Klay/AD so Jrue's age lines up better. I think leaving him out probably alleviates the need to include a pick too which sets them up for another potential addition later.
Gafford
one of Martin/Marshall
Powell (after opt in)
Hardy
Is more outgoing salary than Jrue so it helps DAL with their apron math. They're leftover depth chart would be:
Kyrie / (Jrue)
Holiday / Christie
Klay / Marshall or Martin
AD / PJ / (Marshall or Martin)
Lively / (AD)
That's a very, very solid 8 man rotation if healthy.
Celtics would need to expand the deal because they can't take that much money back. Probably send some 2nds to dump Hardy/Powell on other teams and then try to turn Marshall or Martin into an expiring deal. BOS reduces their tax bill by a good chunk next year and then in the following year they can sort out what to do with Porzingis/Gafford (both would be FAs) and the center position overall while being in great position to reset their luxury tax repeater status.
NYG wrote:Texas Chuck wrote:NYG wrote:Caleb Martin or Naji Marshall to any team with a non-tax MLE
--Some team in need of a wing gets a cheap one for free
Daniel Gafford to the Lakers
--Lakers get a center
Max Christie and Rui Hachimura to the Celtics
--Rui new Horford, Christie provides some of what Jrue did
Jrue Holiday to the Mavericks
--Lively/AD/(Martin or Naji)/Jrue/Kyrie
This seems really bad for Dallas, no? I love Jrue and if this was 3 years ago Jrue, okay sure. But I think if Dallas had interest the deal is probably Gafford/Klay as the salary matching and then one can argue if Dallas needs to add this year's pick or something.
Make it...
Daniel Gafford to the Celtics
Klay Thompson and 2025 Mavericks 1st to the Nets
Jrue Holiday and 2025 Celtics 1st to the Mavericks
??
Celtics would save a TON of money and solve a need elsewhere at center.
Nets probably flip Klay to the best offer from a contender and get a mid-1st for taking him on.
Mavericks swap 1st's, but add a nice veteran guard around AD and Kyrie.
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