Jazz reporter Tony Jones: Trade market not there for John Collins

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Re: Jazz reporter Tony Jones: Trade market not there for John Collins 

Post#101 » by SkyHook » Thu Jul 3, 2025 6:52 pm

jayjaysee wrote:In the other rumor..

I like Collins more for Det than Monk. And then flip Monk.

And I like Collins more for Sac than Kuminga.

Feels like if Utah’s demands are low they should be able to get involved in that deal and make one of the other teams happy..


First team to cobble together just barely over $19MM in the expiring contracts of even the worst players in the league might get him without adding any additional incentive. The smaller the salary returning to Utah the better for this Jazz FO.
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Re: Jazz reporter Tony Jones: Trade market not there for John Collins 

Post#102 » by Gert42 » Thu Jul 3, 2025 7:25 pm

Honestly, as long as Utah moved 2 of Clarkson, Collins, Sexton I was OK with one of them staying. I think Utah needs to make sure they have some vets and guys who can help make the guys on rookie deals better players. Although it is understood that keeping the '26 FRP is the important parameter of this season.
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Re: Jazz reporter Tony Jones: Trade market not there for John Collins 

Post#103 » by Daddy 801 » Thu Jul 3, 2025 9:28 pm

Gert42 wrote:Honestly, as long as Utah moved 2 of Clarkson, Collins, Sexton I was OK with one of them staying. I think Utah needs to make sure they have some vets and guys who can help make the guys on rookie deals better players. Although it is understood that keeping the '26 FRP is the important parameter of this season.


Agreed. There is no rush to trade Collins if it means the Jazz aren’t going to get anything back. Lauri and him are the only vets. And if he expires at the end of the year and wants to come back on a reasonable contract it could be worth keeping him if the the basketball gods are nice enough to gift the Jazz the number 1 pick.
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Re: Jazz reporter Tony Jones: Trade market not there for John Collins 

Post#104 » by YayBasketball » Fri Jul 4, 2025 7:52 am

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Re: Jazz reporter Tony Jones: Trade market not there for John Collins 

Post#105 » by YayBasketball » Fri Jul 4, 2025 7:53 am

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Re: Jazz reporter Tony Jones: Trade market not there for John Collins 

Post#106 » by babyjax13 » Fri Jul 4, 2025 8:09 am

I am afraid of how the Pelicans might mortgage their future to trade for John Collins.
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Re: Jazz reporter Tony Jones: Trade market not there for John Collins 

Post#107 » by One_and_Done » Fri Jul 4, 2025 10:15 am

YayBasketball wrote:
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This is why Ainge (whichever one is making the decisions) is such an overrated GM. The guy won't make deals that matter unless he's sure he's ripping off the other side. This is a nonsense ask, eve from Dumars.
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Re: Jazz reporter Tony Jones: Trade market not there for John Collins 

Post#108 » by BrianInPhilly » Fri Jul 4, 2025 1:07 pm

John Collins can add value to a lot of teams in my opinion ... I don't quite get it. Spurs in particular are a perfect fit because they have salary options to match (Keldon Johnson, Barnes, Vassell, etc.) I watched Spurs a lot last year - they couldn't rebound outside Wemby. Getting a versatile 4' man in Collins who is a vastly superior rebounder than Johnson/Barnes - but can also shoot the 3', AND is an elite pick & roll option for all their guards seems like a no brainer to me. Spurs should value him pretty highly if they're smart and even throw 1st rounders into the deal if they have to. All my opinion.
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Re: Jazz reporter Tony Jones: Trade market not there for John Collins 

Post#109 » by Mavrelous » Fri Jul 4, 2025 1:13 pm

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Re: Jazz reporter Tony Jones: Trade market not there for John Collins 

Post#110 » by Godaddycurse » Fri Jul 4, 2025 1:33 pm

Mavrelous wrote:
YayBasketball wrote:
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How many PFs do NOP need?


to be fair they also have 4 PG's right now
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Re: Jazz reporter Tony Jones: Trade market not there for John Collins 

Post#111 » by vincecarter4pres » Fri Jul 4, 2025 3:24 pm

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Texas Chuck wrote:He can return to form, though very difficult with those pieces around him, but he's just not the level of player that swings 15 wins. I know you guys thought he was your Dirk, but he's just not that guy. At all.


Also I think the fact that he’s NEVER played a playoff game despite being 28 is going to start factoring in. We have no idea how this guy will perform in the playoffs yet he’s almost 30. What team is going to pay major assets to find that out and pay him 50/yr?

You have a legitimate point, but there are teams where he could be the final piece to go from playoff team to contender, or play-in team to strong playoff team with longevity.

Some of these teams have solid but fluctuating value assets of other teams.

San An comes to mind.

Lauri would be the perfect on paper fit at the 4.

They have contracts to match salary, and future Atlanta picks. Can even expand it to 3 teams and include Fox to clear out the logjam of suspect shooting lead guards, while cutting some asset cost on their end by supplementing with the third teams assets going to Utah.
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Re: Jazz reporter Tony Jones: Trade market not there for John Collins 

Post#112 » by basketballwacko2 » Fri Jul 4, 2025 8:30 pm

ReggiesKnicks wrote:No ****. He is an MLE+ level player making 26 Million. Teams don't want to spend assets to send their worse salary in order to pay Collins.

Another buyout candidate.


No one is sending a draft asset for Collins unless the Jazz are taking back a longer or bigger contract the other team doesn't want.
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Re: Jazz reporter Tony Jones: Trade market not there for John Collins 

Post#113 » by One_and_Done » Fri Jul 4, 2025 10:08 pm

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ReggiesKnicks wrote:No ****. He is an MLE+ level player making 26 Million. Teams don't want to spend assets to send their worse salary in order to pay Collins.

Another buyout candidate.


No one is sending a draft asset for Collins unless the Jazz are taking back a longer or bigger contract the other team doesn't want.

Collins just isn't very good. If he was, teams wouldn't keep trying to get rid of him. You mention the Spurs, but the Spurs are trying to be good. It's long odds Collins helps with that. I could see them being willing to take a chance on him by moving Keldon for him maybe, but that's it. They also like Keldon coming off the bench; he's a good guy who brings good vibes. They might prefer to stay pat. If Collins works out it'd look good though, he's a cleaner fit in theory.

This is all moot though, because the Jazz GM is Ainge. He probably thinks Collins is worth multiple 1sts.
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