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[giberish]

Can Beal sign an extension?

Like opt out of final year and sign something like 4/80?

No one is extending him on a contract with NTC

that wouldn't be an extension, it would be a new contract (which the NTC could be added in or not). It would also have to wait until next summer to happen.

[jbk1234]

Does a Gafford for Mathurin swap make sense for both, or not even a conversation?

Maybe Lively, but I don't see Gafford having a lot of value on his extension.

[Mavrelous]

Does a Gafford for Mathurin swap make sense for both, or not even a conversation?

Maybe Lively, but I don't see Gafford having a lot of value on his extension.

Lively value is higher than Mathurin, significantly, and Gafford contract is just fine...

[jbk1234]

Does a Gafford for Mathurin swap make sense for both, or not even a conversation?

Maybe Lively, but I don't see Gafford having a lot of value on his extension.

Lively value is higher than Mathurin, significantly, and Gafford contract is just fine...

I suspect Gafford's trade value was higher before the extension than it is now. In any event, I think it's a very short conversation on the Pacers end.

[Mavrelous]

Maybe Lively, but I don't see Gafford having a lot of value on his extension.

Lively value is higher than Mathurin, significantly, and Gafford contract is just fine...

I suspect Gafford's trade value was higher before the extension than it is now. In any event, I think it's a very short conversation on the Pacers end.

You're wrong, his value is higher since he no linger is 1 year rental and signed to MLE level deal.
You're also wrong on the length of the conversation with the Pacer IMO

[spearsy23]

Does a Gafford for Mathurin swap make sense for both, or not even a conversation?

Maybe Lively, but I don't see Gafford having a lot of value on his extension.

Lively value is higher than Mathurin, significantly, and Gafford contract is just fine...

I don't see why Lively's value would be significantly higher. He has an extra year on his contract, but he's missed about half the games in his career while only playing 23 mpg, and is your typical defensive oriented center who finishes plays and blocks shots. I think they're both pretty even tbh.

[Mavrelous]

Maybe Lively, but I don't see Gafford having a lot of value on his extension.

Lively value is higher than Mathurin, significantly, and Gafford contract is just fine...

I don't see why Lively's value would be significantly higher. He has an extra year on his contract, but he's missed about half the games in his career while only playing 23 mpg, and is your typical defensive oriented center who finishes plays and blocks shots. I think they're both pretty even tbh.

You should know, you watched him dominate your team in 2024 on the highest stage, yeah, he's injury prune, but the level he showed in 24 PO, Mathurin hasn't shown and Lively has 2 years on rookie scale to see if injury issues persist.

[Texas Chuck]

Not getting into the arguments on value, but Dallas can't realistically pay Mathurin in the summer and Lively would still be under a rookie salary so I don't see Dallas considering it. Simply doesn't work financially.

And if the Pacers will willing to pay Gafford this, surely they would have paid Turner just a bit more, so I don't see them entertaining that discussion at all.

[Mavrelous]

Not getting into the arguments on linguistics, but 106 isn't a bit more than 68.

[jbk1234]

Lively value is higher than Mathurin, significantly, and Gafford contract is just fine...

I don't see why Lively's value would be significantly higher. He has an extra year on his contract, but he's missed about half the games in his career while only playing 23 mpg, and is your typical defensive oriented center who finishes plays and blocks shots. I think they're both pretty even tbh.

You should know, you watched him dominate your team in 2024 on the highest stage, yeah, he's injury prune, but the level he showed in 24 PO, Mathurin hasn't shown and Lively has 2 years on rookie scale to see if injury issues persist.

I mean Mathurin wasn't the model of consistency, but when he good in the Pacers playoff run, he was really good. I don't see how the Pacers, who will already be without Haliburton this season, will be comfortable with McConnell as the sole and primary ball handler. I don't see them giving him up for privilege of getting a good backup center on what is essentially a 4 year full MLE deal.

[Texas Chuck]

Not getting into the arguments on linguistics, but 106 isn't a bit more than 68.

Hope this makes you feel better lol. I'd think the AAV mattered more to them, but maybe that extra year really is the sticking point. I don't know, though I'm sure you probably do.

[daoneandonly]

For anyone who hates seeing me post on here, I think if I see one more Demar Derozen trade to Dallas without Klay going out, that very well may do the trick for a long hiatus.

[amcoolio]

I don't know what we are doing. I hope we aren't trading LaMelo for Bam or a similar front court player.

[HornetJail]

Charlotte could be in line for something pretty interesting. The Hornets have completely blown past the roster limits giving contracts to Mann (good), Plumlee (bad), Dinwiddie (bad), adding FOUR rookies in the top 34, in addition to already having 12 man on the roster coming into this offseason. Still have the MLE to use as well. The team is severely lacking in the frontcourt and has way too many mediocre guards and wings.

The Plumlee and Dinwiddie additions on Day 1 and 2 don't look like signings a team makes while facing a roster crunch. Okogie agreed to push back his guarantee date back to 7/15, often something you see when a team is about to make a big trade.

My personal hope is there's a big acquisition for the frontcourt, maybe Siakam or someone of that stature? With 3-5 players and more picks going out.

Other Hornets fans speculating that the hilarious roster imbalance with so many combo guards and no bigs is a sign LaMelo is getting moved for a big man (I don't think I agree, but the logic is partially there I guess)

Or maybe nothing happens, and Charlotte just winds up cutting a ton of guaranteed contracts between now and the start of the season.

[Mavrelous]

I don't see why Lively's value would be significantly higher. He has an extra year on his contract, but he's missed about half the games in his career while only playing 23 mpg, and is your typical defensive oriented center who finishes plays and blocks shots. I think they're both pretty even tbh.

You should know, you watched him dominate your team in 2024 on the highest stage, yeah, he's injury prune, but the level he showed in 24 PO, Mathurin hasn't shown and Lively has 2 years on rookie scale to see if injury issues persist.

I mean Mathurin wasn't the model of consistency, but when he good in the Pacers playoff run, he was really good. I don't see how the Pacers, who will already be without Haliburton this season, will be comfortable with McConnell as the sole and primary ball handler. I don't see them giving him up for privilege of getting a good backup center on what is essentially a 4 year full MLE deal.

Mathurin is a 6th man bench scorer type
Lively is a defensive anchor big.
They aren't in the dame vicinity on value, but it's closer only because of Lively's injuries.
Pacers need a center, Gafford in locked up, hisndeal doesn't put them into tax and doesn't require assets, I can see arguments for and against, I find the suggestion it's a short conveesation absurd.

[Texas Chuck]

I don't know what we are doing. I hope we aren't trading LaMelo for Bam or a similar front court player.

I think you are okay. Spencer Dinwiddie on a min is a guy you sign to be a 4th or 5th guard who has a lot of experience with a bigger role so he will be helpful on those nights Ball misses. But you don't bring him in thinking we got our PG, lets trade our max contract guy.

[Mavrelous]

Not getting into the arguments on linguistics, but 106 isn't a bit more than 68.

Hope this makes you feel better lol. I'd think the AAV mattered more to them, but maybe that extra year really is the sticking point. I don't know, though I'm sure you probably do.

One puts them in tax, one doesn't, one in 26, other is 17, one is extremely low in the year they are in crunch, other isn't.
Pacers may very well not want Gafford, his deal being bit less than what Turner got, isn't it because it factually isn't true...

[spearsy23]

Lively value is higher than Mathurin, significantly, and Gafford contract is just fine...

I don't see why Lively's value would be significantly higher. He has an extra year on his contract, but he's missed about half the games in his career while only playing 23 mpg, and is your typical defensive oriented center who finishes plays and blocks shots. I think they're both pretty even tbh.

You should know, you watched him dominate your team in 2024 on the highest stage, yeah, he's injury prune, but the level he showed in 24 PO, Mathurin hasn't shown and Lively has 2 years on rookie scale to see if injury issues persist.

He dominated to the tune of 8/8 and a block per game. Sure, he had 2 great games in the series, but using that metric Mathurin dominated us too. Lively has become overrated on the back of that playoff run and his inability to stay on the court.

[jayjaysee]

Has Cole Anthony been bought out yet?

Did anyone do the math to see how much he had to give up for Memphis to give JJJ the money he did..

On that..

Hardy to Memphis
Cole Anthony to Dallas
Martin into anyone’s MLE/TPE

I have no idea how much Cole is giving up, but it’s probably not 7 million? Maybe I’m wrong.

For Mem instead of getting 0 use out of Cole and the cap this season, they get stuck with a contract they’d be immediately able to aggregate with their other smaller contracts to add another guard or whatever position they look to upgrade. Immediately aggregate as a cap space team until they finalize their other deals.. So Konchar+Hardy+asset for 20~ million dollar wing..

For Dallas - lowered expectations. But also if Kyrie is healthy before deadline, you have a decent sized expiring to trade instead of trying to flip Hardy/Martin for whatever need. Or you just keep him and enjoy the tax relief next season.

For third team - Martin is useful and plays the right way. Locked up pretty fairly for a bench wing.

And seconds all around?

[Mavrelous]

I don't see why Lively's value would be significantly higher. He has an extra year on his contract, but he's missed about half the games in his career while only playing 23 mpg, and is your typical defensive oriented center who finishes plays and blocks shots. I think they're both pretty even tbh.

You should know, you watched him dominate your team in 2024 on the highest stage, yeah, he's injury prune, but the level he showed in 24 PO, Mathurin hasn't shown and Lively has 2 years on rookie scale to see if injury issues persist.

He dominated to the tune of 8/8 and a block per game. Sure, he had 2 great games in the series, but using that metric Mathurin dominated us too. Lively has become overrated on the back of that playoff run and his inability to stay on the court.

It wasn't just the PO, it was the entire season, his impact stats are off the charts, and Mavs lineup data with, exactly what you expect from a defensive anchor.