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[SkyHook]

Boston is the only team with a TPE big enough for Allen.

Brooklyn, Washington and Utah are the only teams which could absorb 20 Million in salary and not go into the tax.

The deal presented by Zimpy27 is essentially impossible. Fun thought exercise for about 3 minutes

Allen to Boston into TPE
Simons to Chicago
Giannis, Thanassis, Phillips to Cleveland
Garland, Hunter to Milwaukee
Collins to Utah into TPE Works

Works in Spotrac. Cavs and Bucks are the core of the deal. Celtics cut salary, create a new larger TPE with a later expiration date, and should be willing to spend the multiple FRPs necessary to upgrade from Simons to Allen. Bulls get added scoring on an expiring. Jazz would require a good FRP to absorb Collins' $18MM.

Beyond Terrible trade for the Bucks - Like might be the worst trade of seen on this board involving Giannis - You really think that Giannis is only worth Garland and Hunter?

And picks.

[mlloyd10]

Allen to Boston into TPE
Simons to Chicago
Giannis, Thanassis, Phillips to Cleveland
Garland, Hunter to Milwaukee
Collins to Utah into TPE Works

Works in Spotrac. Cavs and Bucks are the core of the deal. Celtics cut salary, create a new larger TPE with a later expiration date, and should be willing to spend the multiple FRPs necessary to upgrade from Simons to Allen. Bulls get added scoring on an expiring. Jazz would require a good FRP to absorb Collins' $18MM.

Beyond Terrible trade for the Bucks - Like might be the worst trade of seen on this board involving Giannis - You really think that Giannis is only worth Garland and Hunter?

And picks.

What picks?

[SkyHook]

Beyond Terrible trade for the Bucks - Like might be the worst trade of seen on this board involving Giannis - You really think that Giannis is only worth Garland and Hunter?

And picks.

What picks?

Don’t know, it wasn't my idea. I was just showing how the original idea could be achieved.

[Scoot McGroot]

Allen to Boston into TPE
Simons to Chicago
Giannis, Thanassis, Phillips to Cleveland
Garland, Hunter to Milwaukee
Collins to Utah into TPE Works

Works in Spotrac. Cavs and Bucks are the core of the deal. Celtics cut salary, create a new larger TPE with a later expiration date, and should be willing to spend the multiple FRPs necessary to upgrade from Simons to Allen. Bulls get added scoring on an expiring. Jazz would require a good FRP to absorb Collins' $18MM.

So, it requires adding 2 additional teams (both of which are 2 of the only major salary dumps available this season), and Milwaukee paying out one of their 1sts in trade return to make it work?

Kind of points out the difficulty…..

Or easily achieved but costly?

Is it easily achieved, though? Adding each team creates a major friction point that can kill the deal. Here we’re adding 2-3 of the only 4 teams in the league that could theoretically add salary like this, and expecting it to just work easily? And that Utah would only want a single 1st to be the team that the deal completely relies on to work?

To me, that seems pretty difficult.

[jayjaysee]

If I were trying one… I’d look for a third team that’s interested in Allen that has tax space. Then the fourth team only needs to take a minor expiring and Milwaukee can take back extra salary..

Technically you could do..

Allen, Garland, Ball, Strus for Giannis and fam.

Then the third team getting Allen sends 9-12 mil to Milwaukee and a vet min to Cleveland. But just think Giannis to Cleveland happens only if Mitchell agrees to an extension and Mobley is in it..

[Ron Swanson]

There's absolutely no Cleveland trade if they're not including Mobley. Garland + Mobley for Giannis + Kuzma with the 3rd team absorbing Kuzma's salary (Brooklyn?) works to get Cleveland under the 2nd apron. Other than that, there really isn't anything Cleveland can offer that makes any sense.

[shrink]

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bulls/2025/12/11/trade-rumors-grow-around-bulls-coby-white

The Minnesota Timberwolves have been big-game hunting for a point guard.

There were rumors that they inquired about Memphis’ Ja Morant, have kicked the tires on Kyrie Irving, and now have their sights set on a more realistic target. That’s where the Bulls come in.

According to a source, Coby White has been inquired about, and time is of the essence in the Bulls making a decision. The source said that Minnesota is not looking to wait until February and the trade deadline to get a deal done, looking to fix the primary ball-handling situation that’s been an issue all season long for them.

…

But would moving White for a package of Donte DiVincenzo, Terrence Shannon Jr. and a future draft pick be tanking or reloading?

This can’t be the price, right? Coby would help as a rental, but nobody can extend off that contract, there is nothing saying he wants to stay in MIN, and the Wolves would struggle to pay him this summer, even if he did?

[Texas Chuck]

It's a Chicago paper so expect them to shoot high on the ask.

[ReggiesKnicks]

It's a Chicago paper so expect them to shoot high on the ask.

It does appear Chicago picked Minnesota's best two assets outside of their "Core-6".

That said, I wonder what Coby Whites value is and I wonder what Minnesota expects to acquire without moving a high-value asset (I don't see Donte or TSJ as valuable commodities).

[psman2]

Conley/Dilly/2nds for White would be the trade if there is one. # of 2nds depends on how Dilly is valued.

[Godaddycurse]

Interestingly chicago can just sign back white after the season/make an offer thats hard for Minny to match

[moss_is_1]

Conley / Shannon(from Chicago maybe gives him a value bump?) / with 1 or 2 2nds. Pretty sure the Wolves have 2 2nds this season.

Wolves definitely shouldn't move DDV for White.

[shrink]

Conley / Shannon(from Chicago maybe gives him a value bump?) / with 1 or 2 2nds. Pretty sure the Wolves have 2 2nds this season.

Wolves definitely shouldn't move DDV for White.

I gave it a shot a few days ago, with help from jayjaysee.

MIN GETS: Coby White (+ Kyle Anderson)
MIN GIVES: Mike Conley + Terrence Shannon Jr. + Leonard Miller

CHI GETS: Terrence Shannon Jr + Georges Niang (exp)
CHI GIVES: Coby White

UTA GETS: Mike Conley + Leonard Miller
UTA GIVES: Georges Niang

Why for CHI?: With Giddey, Tre Jones and Dosunmu, the Bulls are unlikely to want to pay Coby White. TSJ looked good at the end of his rookie season, even the playoffs, and he’s a former Illini star, locked up for years on a very cheap rookie scale.

Why for UTA?: Mike would be a good mentor to their emerging Keyonte George. Leonard Miller is a win-later prospect (which they would prefer over Kyle Anderson, who they buy out to create the roster spot.

Why for MIN? They give up the cheap, potential of TSJ and make a win-now move to fill their most glaring hole at PG. They treat Mike right, by sending him to a place he is comfortable with. Leonard Miller doesn’t look like he will emerge here in time, so MIN signs SloMo after the UTA buy out. Anderson has shooting issues, but he adds playmaking, he can defend and he knows how to play with our guys without a learning curve.

[Godaddycurse]

Conley / Shannon(from Chicago maybe gives him a value bump?) / with 1 or 2 2nds. Pretty sure the Wolves have 2 2nds this season.

Wolves definitely shouldn't move DDV for White.

I gave it a shot a few days ago, with help from jayjaysee.

MIN GETS: Coby White (+ Kyle Anderson)
MIN GIVES: Mike Conley + Terrence Shannon Jr. + Leonard Miller

CHI GETS: Terrence Shannon Jr + Georges Niang (exp)
CHI GIVES: Coby White

UTA GETS: Mike Conley + Leonard Miller
UTA GIVES: Georges Niang

Why for CHI?: With Giddey, Tre Jones and Dosunmu, the Bulls are unlikely to want to pay Coby White. TSJ looked good at the end of his rookie season, even the playoffs, and he’s a former Illini star, locked up for years on a very cheap rookie scale.

Why for UTA?: Mike would be a good mentor to their emerging Keyonte George. Leonard Miller is a win-later prospect (which they would prefer over Kyle Anderson, who they buy out to create the roster spot.

Why for MIN? They give up the cheap, potential of TSJ and make a win-now move to fill their most glaring hole at PG. They treat Mike right, by sending him to a place he is comfortable with. Leonard Miller doesn’t look like he will emerge here in time, so MIN signs SloMo after the UTA buy out. Anderson has shooting issues, but he adds playmaking, he can defend and he knows how to play with our guys without a learning curve.

have a tough time seeing this as the best offer available for white. Houston can/should beat it

[shrink]

Personally, I’m not a fan of the deal for MIN.

Terrence Shannon Jr fell from the 2024 lottery because of unproven legal issues. He looked good the moment he got into the Wolves rotation in February and March, and even against OKC in the playoffs. After a dominating Summer League, the Wolves expected him to automatically be in the rotation, but a foot injury he tried to play through has really hurt his production this year. However, he is just on Year 2 for the bargain 27th pick of rookie scale. I know, we all like our own youth, and maybe I’m falling into that trap. But he financially could be an important part of the expensive Wolves for several years.

I get, even a rental of Coby White has value, but if he’s only a rental, I don’t see him worth a ton.

[SkyHook]

Conley / Shannon(from Chicago maybe gives him a value bump?) / with 1 or 2 2nds. Pretty sure the Wolves have 2 2nds this season.

Wolves definitely shouldn't move DDV for White.

I gave it a shot a few days ago, with help from jayjaysee.

MIN GETS: Coby White (+ Kyle Anderson)
MIN GIVES: Mike Conley + Terrence Shannon Jr. + Leonard Miller

CHI GETS: Terrence Shannon Jr + Georges Niang (exp)
CHI GIVES: Coby White

UTA GETS: Mike Conley + Leonard Miller
UTA GIVES: Georges Niang

Why for CHI?: With Giddey, Tre Jones and Dosunmu, the Bulls are unlikely to want to pay Coby White. TSJ looked good at the end of his rookie season, even the playoffs, and he’s a former Illini star, locked up for years on a very cheap rookie scale.

Why for UTA?: Mike would be a good mentor to their emerging Keyonte George. Leonard Miller is a win-later prospect (which they would prefer over Kyle Anderson, who they buy out to create the roster spot.

Why for MIN? They give up the cheap, potential of TSJ and make a win-now move to fill their most glaring hole at PG. They treat Mike right, by sending him to a place he is comfortable with. Leonard Miller doesn’t look like he will emerge here in time, so MIN signs SloMo after the UTA buy out. Anderson has shooting issues, but he adds playmaking, he can defend and he knows how to play with our guys without a learning curve.

You know that I'm in from the Utah standpoint. I'd imagine that it needs an SRP from Minny to Chicago.

[Domejandro]

I think that it makes more sense in some sort of three-team framework (potentially something around Domantas Sabonis?), but if no movement happens by January 15th (once Naz Reid is able to be traded), I would be interested in Naz Reid + Leonard Miller (filler) for Coby White and Jalen Smith.

[zimpy27]

I believe the Cavs cant aggregate salaries, which makes it too complicated for it to be feasible mid season

They can if they are under second apron after trade.

Example:

Cavs get Giannis
Bucks get Garland, Hunter, 3rd team picks
3rd team gets Allen

Does anyone have the ability to just eat Allen’s salary, though?. They’d have to send back salary to either Milwaukee or Cleveland, or include a 4th team with a large cap eating tool (space, TPE, etc). And, Cleveland is $22m over that second apron that prevents them from aggregating, which is a LARGE drop to make midseason. Especially while maintaining the minimum roster sizes.

Yeah it is.

Cavs get Giannis, Thanasis, Bucks min
Bucks get Garland, Hunter, Sharpe, FRPs
Nets get Allen

This works

[YayBasketball]

Yeah it is.

Cavs get Giannis, Thanasis, Bucks min
Bucks get Garland, Hunter, Sharpe, FRPs
Nets get Allen

This works

Which picks would Nets give to take Allen into their cap space? Probably not very premium picks. So Bucks trade Giannis for injury-riddled small PG (when they already have a good young PG in Rollins), some role player back-up types, and 1-2 low value picks? Seems highly unlikely.

[zimpy27]

Yeah it is.

Cavs get Giannis, Thanasis, Bucks min
Bucks get Garland, Hunter, Sharpe, FRPs
Nets get Allen

This works

Which picks would Nets give to take Allen into their cap space? Probably not very premium picks. So Bucks trade Giannis for injury-riddled small PG (when they already have a good young PG in Rollins), some role player back-up types, and 1-2 low value picks? Seems highly unlikely.

You could trade Mobley instead of Garland if you needed. Point is the framework is possible for Cavs to get Giannis.