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[blind prophet]

Local guys think the Waiters to Sac town is almost done.

Maybe OKC will match?

[jbk1234]

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preparing for the loss of Ezeli or possible precursor to a Bogut trade?

I think it's going to be really hard for teams like the Cavs, Warriors, Spurs, etc. to get good players to come ring chase for little money this year.

[jbk1234]

Local guys think the Waiters to Sac town is almost done.

Maybe OKC will match?

Doubtful. Only Philly could get him to turn his head at this point. It's his hometown.

[blind prophet]

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Yeah saw that on the Kings board from you.

Thanks man.

Let's hope OKC matches.

[Andre Roberstan]

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DO IT VLADE

You have to save Sam from himself.

[codydaze]

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DO IT VLADE

You have to save Sam from himself.

[bpcox05]

Solomon Hill has the potential to be the steal of this FA. I think in a year or two people will be looking at his contract similar to how people look at Crowder's contract now.

Where does this faith come from? Certainly not his stats.

His defense & athleticism are stellar and he's a very good rebounder for his position (not to mention he'll be 25 at the start of next season). His shooting has been inconsistent up until now, but once he started getting increased minutes at the end of the year (above 25 minutes a game), he was shooting much more consistently. His last 14 games of the season (including the playoffs) he shot 52% from three on 3.3 attempts per game. Granted it's a small sample size, but you want to see players improving towards the end of the year (not falling off). Also, considering he went from 10-15 mpg to 29 mpg for that last stretch, it bodes well for him.

And it's not like this shooting is coming out of nowhere. He shot 86% from the free throw line and is 83% for his career. That's usually an indicator that he has a good stroke and in time he can develop a reliable jumpshot. He also shot 39% from the college 3 his last two years at Arizona, so again, I don't think his 3pt shooting is as much as an anomaly as some people may think. In this day and age, players understand how valuable it is to have a 3pt shot, and I'm sure Hill has been working very hard at getting it down (plus his shooting got better after he was told to put more arc on the ball).

Again, Hill could be the steal of this FA and turn into one of the best 3&D wings and be on a Crowder like contract that is uber valuable. Having a starting caliber SG/SF that is a ferocious defender, good 3pt shooter, 25 years old, and on an 8-10mil a year deal under the new CBA is ridiculous value.

[Andre Roberstan]

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You have to save Sam from himself.

TBF, of the skillsets available at SG in free agency who would realistically go to the Kings, you could do worse than Dion. He's way healthier than Gordon, he's been pretty good in our locker room, and if he plays like he did in the playoffs he's a decent enough player. Better spot-up shooter than you think, too.

But the only reason to give him a big offer sheet is if you think he develops a lot more down the line, and I just don't see it. Sac may just be paying a little bit of a premium to get a guy they think can help on the court.

I'd much rather him than Belinelli.

[pacers33granger]

His shooting has been inconsistent up until now, but once he started getting increased minutes at the end of the year (above 25 minutes a game), he was shooting much more consistently. His last 14 games of the season (including the playoffs) he shot 52% from three on 3.3 attempts per game. Granted it's a small sample size, but you want to see players improving towards the end of the year (not falling off). Also, considering he went from 10-15 mpg to 29 mpg for that last stretch, it bodes well for him.

And it's not like this shooting is coming out of nowhere. He shot 86% from the free throw line and is 83% for his career. That's usually an indicator that he has a good stroke and in time he can develop a reliable jumpshot. He also shot 39% from the college 3 his last two years at Arizona, so again, I don't think his 3pt shooting is as much as an anomaly as some people may think. In this day and age, players understand how valuable it is to have a 3pt shot, and I'm sure Hill has been working very hard at getting it down (plus his shooting got better after he was told to put more arc on the ball).

14 games out of 169 means next to nothing though, especially when it's the last 14 games of his contract. He played the most minutes out of anyone on the Pacers the year before and was a starter and shot 32% from three and 39% overall. I'm not saying he can't be a plus 3 point shooter going forward, but it's a very risky bet.

[HartfordWhalers]

If Philly goes into the season 50m below the floor, when we all make Hinkie is secretly still in charge jokes they will still be jokes, right?

[jazzfan1971]

Ok, I'm obviously in the minority here. Even if I just look at his playoff numbers. Take them per/36. They are 10/5. Vs. 10/7 for per/36 for the season. I don't see any change there except he hit a few more 3s than he usually does. He's a career .325 3pt guy on over 300 attempts. That's not a huge sample, I'd prefer over 700 or so, but, it's a hell of a lot more than the 19 he took in the playoffs.

By my eye he is what he is. He hasn't shown me much improvement in the league and looks like a career backup. Could he be the next Crowder? Certainly. I just wouldn't want my team banking on it. I guess if the contract is cheap, ala Crowder, you can afford to take a chance, but, I don't want to pay the guy big money to see if he can keep shooting 3s at 58% like he did in the playoffs.

[bpcox05]

Ok, I'm obviously in the minority here. Even if I just look at his playoff numbers. Take them per/36. They are 10/5. Vs. 10/7 for per/36 for the season. I don't see any change there except he hit a few more 3s than he usually does. He's a career .325 3pt guy on over 300 attempts. That's not a huge sample, I'd prefer over 700 or so, but, it's a hell of a lot more than the 19 he took in the playoffs.

By my eye he is what he is. He hasn't shown me much improvement in the league and looks like a career backup. Could he be the next Crowder? Certainly. I just wouldn't want my team banking on it. I guess if the contract is cheap, ala Crowder, you can afford to take a chance, but, I don't want to pay the guy big money to see if he can keep shooting 3s at 58% like he did in the playoffs.

Whoever said to pay him big money? That's why I said "steal."

[jbk1234]

If Philly goes into the season 50m below the floor, when we all make Hinkie is secretly still in charge jokes they will still be jokes, right?

Philly is the team most likely to offer RFAs above-market contracts with the hope that their teams won't match. That can't really happen until the 7th. For the Sixers to do it effectively, they need to put the offer sheet in front of the player and tell them to sign or not. If they make a hard offer during the grace period, the RFA will just use Philly as a stalking horse, leak the offer to the media, and the home town team will negotiate for a small discount below what Philly offered.

[RexRyan]

If Philly goes into the season 50m below the floor, when we all make Hinkie is secretly still in charge jokes they will still be jokes, right?

Philly is the team most likely to offer RFAs above-market contracts with the hope that their teams won't match. That can't really happen until the 7th. For the Sixers to do it effectively, they need to put the offer sheet in front of the player and tell them to sign or not. If they make a hard offer during the grace period, the RFA will just use Philly as a stalking horse, leak the offer to the media, and the home town team will negotiate for a small discount below what Philly offered.

Agreed. Philly's going to be a HUGE factor in free agency, it just won't start for another week. They'll screw things up for a bunch of teams.....

[Andre Roberstan]

If Philly goes into the season 50m below the floor, when we all make Hinkie is secretly still in charge jokes they will still be jokes, right?

Philly is the team most likely to offer RFAs above-market contracts with the hope that their teams won't match. That can't really happen until the 7th. For the Sixers to do it effectively, they need to put the offer sheet in front of the player and tell them to sign or not. If they make a hard offer during the grace period, the RFA will just use Philly as a stalking horse, leak the offer to the media, and the home town team will negotiate for a small discount below what Philly offered.

Agreed. Philly's going to be a HUGE factor in free agency, it just won't start for another week. They'll screw things up for a bunch of teams.....

Colangelo going full Olshey is going to be beautiful

[Birdie]

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You have to save Sam from himself.

TBF, of the skillsets available at SG in free agency who would realistically go to the Kings, you could do worse than Dion. He's way healthier than Gordon, he's been pretty good in our locker room, and if he plays like he did in the playoffs he's a decent enough player. Better spot-up shooter than you think, too.

But the only reason to give him a big offer sheet is if you think he develops a lot more down the line, and I just don't see it. Sac may just be paying a little bit of a premium to get a guy they think can help on the court.

I'd much rather him than Belinelli.

Yea, but SAC has a cheaper version of him with McLemore. I just have no clue what SAC/Vlade are doing.

I hope they sign Dion, maybe, Griff will be able to rape Vlade and get Kofos/McLemore to Cavs for a bag of chips.

[jbk1234]

TBF, of the skillsets available at SG in free agency who would realistically go to the Kings, you could do worse than Dion. He's way healthier than Gordon, he's been pretty good in our locker room, and if he plays like he did in the playoffs he's a decent enough player. Better spot-up shooter than you think, too.

But the only reason to give him a big offer sheet is if you think he develops a lot more down the line, and I just don't see it. Sac may just be paying a little bit of a premium to get a guy they think can help on the court.

I'd much rather him than Belinelli.

Yea, but SAC has a cheaper version of him with McLemore. I just have no clue what SAC/Vlade are doing.

I hope they sign Dion, maybe, Griff will be able to rape Vlade and get Kofos/McLemore to Cavs for a bag of chips.

McLemore isn't a cheaper version of Dion. Dion's problem is decision making. McLemore's problem is that he came into the league with one skill set - shooting- and for whatever reasons he appears to have left it in Kansas.

[Birdie]

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TBF, of the skillsets available at SG in free agency who would realistically go to the Kings, you could do worse than Dion. He's way healthier than Gordon, he's been pretty good in our locker room, and if he plays like he did in the playoffs he's a decent enough player. Better spot-up shooter than you think, too.

But the only reason to give him a big offer sheet is if you think he develops a lot more down the line, and I just don't see it. Sac may just be paying a little bit of a premium to get a guy they think can help on the court.

I'd much rather him than Belinelli.

Yea, but SAC has a cheaper version of him with McLemore. I just have no clue what SAC/Vlade are doing.

I hope they sign Dion, maybe, Griff will be able to rape Vlade and get Kofos/McLemore to Cavs for a bag of chips.

McLemore isn't a cheaper version of Dion. Dion's problem is decision making. McLemore's problem is that he came into the league with one skill set - shooting- and for whatever reasons he appears to have left it in Kansas.

Umm, McLemore only costing 3.2mil this year. Dion's new contract most likely lookin like 9-17mil depending on what insane GM is willing to make it rain. I think I'd take the flier longterm with McLemore as he doesn't seem to be an egomanic who thinks he's better than everybody else. But I can understand if you're still on Waiter's Island and why you might say such a thing.



Dion PER = 11.9 & Ben Mc PER = 9.1

There's not much distinguishing between these two except the ridiculous money someone is about to pay Dion for mediocrity. Lin just got 13milly, Jerryd Bayess just got 9milly, I think Dion sayin to himself, if those bums got that, I should be getting 15-18. Can't wait til his # comes out.

[jbk1234]

Spoiler:

Yea, but SAC has a cheaper version of him with McLemore. I just have no clue what SAC/Vlade are doing.

I hope they sign Dion, maybe, Griff will be able to rape Vlade and get Kofos/McLemore to Cavs for a bag of chips.

McLemore isn't a cheaper version of Dion. Dion's problem is decision making. McLemore's problem is that he came into the league with one skill set - shooting- and for whatever reasons he appears to have left it in Kansas.

Umm, McLemore only costing 3.2mil this year. Dion's new contract most likely lookin like 9-17mil depending on what insane GM is willing to make it rain. I think I'd take the flier longterm with McLemore as he doesn't seem to be an egomanic who thinks he's better than everybody else. But I can understand if you're still on Waiter's Island and why you might say such a thing.



Dion PER = 11.9 & Ben Mc PER = 9.1

There's not much distinguishing between these two except the ridiculous money someone is about to pay Dion for mediocrity. Lin just got 13milly, Jerryd Bayess just got 9milly, I think Dion sayin to himself, if those bums got that, I should be getting 15-18. Can't wait til his # comes out.

This is McLemore's last year on that rookie contract. He'll be getting paid next summer. But Dion's a much better ball handler, passer, defender and can create his own shot. McLemore is a catch and shoot SG who can't shoot.

Edit - and why are you going off of rookie years only?

[Birdie]

I guess it appears the Delly phenomenon will be coming to an end with Bayless going to PHI.

I don't see DET coming for him now after signing Ish but could MIL throw their cash at him?

MIL and HOU need backup PGs bad. Hell, CHI too. Hopefully his last bad month of the season scared teams off and we can get him to come back in 5-8mil range.