Random Rumor and General Offseason Discussion Thread

[VCfor3]

I wonder what Delon's contract ends up looking like?

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[Mamba4Goat]

I wonder what Delon's contract ends up looking like?

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They just need to take Dragic already.

[BullyKing]

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Someone find Chuck

I think I saw him on the news. Some man was reported streaking through the city yelling "JJ Barea is back!!".

I think that was someone else. Last I heard, Chuck was at Mavs HQ holding a bunch of hostages until this got done.

[BBallFreak]

WAS and MIA are engaged in trade talks. Wonder if anything will come of it. If Miami gets Beal, Matt Barnes gets credit for breaking it last night right?

I would imagine this has more to do with Goran Dragic, who would be a great stop gap guy for the Wizards.

[Mojo Amok]

WAS and MIA are engaged in trade talks. Wonder if anything will come of it. If Miami gets Beal, Matt Barnes gets credit for breaking it last night right?

I would imagine this has more to do with Goran Dragic, who would be a great stop gap guy for the Wizards.

The only thing the Wizards have to match with is Mighty Yawn Mahinmi, though. I can't imagine that's very palatable to Miami.

[BBallFreak]

WAS and MIA are engaged in trade talks. Wonder if anything will come of it. If Miami gets Beal, Matt Barnes gets credit for breaking it last night right?

I would imagine this has more to do with Goran Dragic, who would be a great stop gap guy for the Wizards.

The only thing the Wizards have to match with is Mighty Yawn Mahinmi, though. I can't imagine that's very palatable to Miami.

No, it wouldn't be about what's palatable for us, it would be Philly. Whatever your team traded us would go to them.

[jbk1234]

I wonder what Delon's contract ends up looking like?

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They just need to take Dragic already.

Dragic has lost a step and it shows. The Heat were better with Winslow running the offense.

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[MoneyTalks41890]

I would imagine this has more to do with Goran Dragic, who would be a great stop gap guy for the Wizards.

The only thing the Wizards have to match with is Mighty Yawn Mahinmi, though. I can't imagine that's very palatable to Miami.

No, it wouldn't be about what's palatable for us, it would be Philly. Whatever your team traded us would go to them.

I could be wrong here but my understanding is that Philly doesn't want more salary back and J Rich, and a third team had to eat the extra.

[BullyKing]

I would imagine this has more to do with Goran Dragic, who would be a great stop gap guy for the Wizards.

The only thing the Wizards have to match with is Mighty Yawn Mahinmi, though. I can't imagine that's very palatable to Miami.

No, it wouldn't be about what's palatable for us, it would be Philly. Whatever your team traded us would go to them.

Uh no, that's definitely not the case. Philly used up its cap space on Horford. This is Miami's problem to deal with.

[Mojo Amok]

The only thing the Wizards have to match with is Mighty Yawn Mahinmi, though. I can't imagine that's very palatable to Miami.

No, it wouldn't be about what's palatable for us, it would be Philly. Whatever your team traded us would go to them.

I could be wrong here but my understanding is that Philly doesn't want more salary back and J Rich, and a third team had to eat the extra.

That's my understanding too, so I don't see how the Wizards could play that role in facilitating this one.

[BBallFreak]

No, it wouldn't be about what's palatable for us, it would be Philly. Whatever your team traded us would go to them.

I could be wrong here but my understanding is that Philly doesn't want more salary back and J Rich, and a third team had to eat the extra.

That's my understanding too, so I don't see how the Wizards could play that role in facilitating this one.

Right, but we're not trading Dragic for our own return. That was my point. Maybe it's smaller contracts going out to teams with trade exceptions to complete the trade, but Miami won't be seeing any of this. it's going to be about what Philly wants (which is cap relief).

[DeBlazerRiddem]

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They just need to take Dragic already.

Why do they have to? They are doing Miami the favor but Miami doesn't want to give them what they want.

I don't get the widespread criticism of Dallas here.

[BBallFreak]

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They just need to take Dragic already.

Why do they have to? They are doing Miami the favor but Miami doesn't want to give them what they want.

I don't get the widespread criticism of Dallas here.

Because Dallas agreed to it, then changed their minds, and tried to change the package entirely. That's why people are criticizing Dallas. The trade was done, then all of a sudden it was about Olynyk and DJJ rather than Goran.

[Texas Chuck]

Because Dallas agreed to it, then changed their minds, and tried to change the package entirely. That's why people are criticizing Dallas. The trade was done, then all of a sudden it was about Olynyk and DJJ rather than Goran.

Heat fans keep spamming this, but have we actually established this? All I've seen to defend this is the Townsend tweets which don't fully support that position.

I'm not saying Dallas didn't do this, they may well have. But we should base it on information not partisanship.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

They just need to take Dragic already.

Why do they have to? They are doing Miami the favor but Miami doesn't want to give them what they want.

I don't get the widespread criticism of Dallas here.

Because Dallas agreed to it, then changed their minds, and tried to change the package entirely. That's why people are criticizing Dallas. The trade was done, then all of a sudden it was about Olynyk and DJJ rather than Goran.

First of all, who cares if Dallas changed their minds, they don't owe Miami anything. Miami is the one who has the need here, if Dallas became unhappy with their package then Miami is the one who needs to fix it.

However is it verified that they agreed to Dragic? Early reports were the KO/DJJ package that Dallas wants, perhaps it was Miami that tried to change the deal? Although instead of either option it seems more likely that the teams were discussing multiple options and something just simply got mixed up in the communication.

But to say: "Dallas you have to do this deal because no taksies-backsies" is naive. Dallas doesn't want to do the deal, criticizing them for not doing a deal they dont want to do is inane.

[BBallFreak]

Because Dallas agreed to it, then changed their minds, and tried to change the package entirely. That's why people are criticizing Dallas. The trade was done, then all of a sudden it was about Olynyk and DJJ rather than Goran.

Heat fans keep spamming this, but have we actually established this? All I've seen to defend this is the Townsend tweets which don't fully support that position.

I'm not saying Dallas didn't do this, they may well have. But we should base it on information not partisanship.

So, we have Townsend's information, a Dallas beat writer, from before the trade was supposed to happen, saying that Dragic would be a Maverick. We also have information from people after the fact who have said that, as well as some who said it was a miscommunication between the two teams. We're never going to know what actually happened, Chuck. What we will all believe is what we choose to believe. I obviously believe that Dallas screwed Miami over. You obviously believe otherwise. Your choice, but I have a much easier time believing that Mark Cuban hates the Heat than the idea that both parties were so confused that they couldn't figure out the difference between Kelly Olynyk and Goran Dragic...

[MoneyTalks41890]

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Guess I don't get this with Bagley/Bjelica and Dedmon/Giles unless they don't think Giles can play.

But WCS seemingly definitely gone now.

[BBallFreak]

Why do they have to? They are doing Miami the favor but Miami doesn't want to give them what they want.

I don't get the widespread criticism of Dallas here.

Because Dallas agreed to it, then changed their minds, and tried to change the package entirely. That's why people are criticizing Dallas. The trade was done, then all of a sudden it was about Olynyk and DJJ rather than Goran.

First of all, who cares if Dallas changed their minds, they don't owe Miami anything. Miami is the one who has the need here, if Dallas became unhappy with their package then Miami is the one who needs to fix it.

However is it verified that they agreed to Dragic? Early reports were the KO/DJJ package that Dallas wants, perhaps it was Miami that tried to change the deal? Although instead of either option it seems more likely that the teams were discussing multiple options and something just simply got mixed up in the communication.

But to say: "Dallas you have to do this deal because no taksies-backsies" is naive. Dallas doesn't want to do the deal, criticizing them for not doing a deal they dont want to do is inane.

This isn't about no taksieis-backsies or whatever inanities you feel the need to ascribe to me. This is about an agreed-upon deal that got completely screwed up by one party and is now causing the other party a great deal of difficulty. It's also about the Mavericks dealing rather poorly with another franchise for personal reasons.

Also, Olynyk and DJJ weren't reported to be part of the deal until after it came out that the deal was happening in the first place.

[shrink]

Because Dallas agreed to it, then changed their minds, and tried to change the package entirely. That's why people are criticizing Dallas. The trade was done, then all of a sudden it was about Olynyk and DJJ rather than Goran.

First of all, who cares if Dallas changed their minds, they don't owe Miami anything. Miami is the one who has the need here, if Dallas became unhappy with their package then Miami is the one who needs to fix it.

However is it verified that they agreed to Dragic? Early reports were the KO/DJJ package that Dallas wants, perhaps it was Miami that tried to change the deal? Although instead of either option it seems more likely that the teams were discussing multiple options and something just simply got mixed up in the communication.

But to say: "Dallas you have to do this deal because no taksies-backsies" is naive. Dallas doesn't want to do the deal, criticizing them for not doing a deal they dont want to do is inane.

This isn't about no taksieis-backsies or whatever inanities you feel the need to ascribe to me. This is about an agreed-upon deal that got completely screwed up by one party and is now causing the other party a great deal of difficulty. It's also about the Mavericks dealing rather poorly with another franchise for personal reasons.

Are we sure this is about Dallas? This is the second time in less than a year that a MIA deal was supposedly agreed to, and then fell apart (Butler to MIA, with the inclusion of Dion Waiters bad contract). I have not researched this deal yet, but Is it possible MIA is leaking favorable deals to the media, claiming they’re done, before they officially are? The only common factor in the two situations is the Heat, and it’s such an uncommon situation to begin with.

[Texas Chuck]

Because Dallas agreed to it, then changed their minds, and tried to change the package entirely. That's why people are criticizing Dallas. The trade was done, then all of a sudden it was about Olynyk and DJJ rather than Goran.

Heat fans keep spamming this, but have we actually established this? All I've seen to defend this is the Townsend tweets which don't fully support that position.

I'm not saying Dallas didn't do this, they may well have. But we should base it on information not partisanship.

So, we have Townsend's information, a Dallas beat writer, from before the trade was supposed to happen, saying that Dragic would be a Maverick. We also have information from people after the fact who have said that, as well as some who said it was a miscommunication between the two teams. We're never going to know what actually happened, Chuck. What we will all believe is what we choose to believe. I obviously believe that Dallas screwed Miami over. You obviously believe otherwise. Your choice, but I have a much easier time believing that Mark Cuban hates the Heat than the idea that both parties were so confused that they couldn't figure out the difference between Kelly Olynyk and Goran Dragic...

I'm withholding judgement. You think Cuban has spite for the Heat. Maybe. But they did the Heat the favor a couple years ago of taking on McRoberts. Plus there are powerful agents involved including Luka's. Highly doubt Cuban would intentionally hurt relationships with those just to spite the Heat.

I'm operating on the idea that teams are going to act in their own best interests much more than acting against the interests of a team in the other conference--even if they have some Finals history.

I think Dallas could be at fault, but if they are its not with the motivation to screw the Heat which makes no sense except on a fan's level. I also think its possible that Miami made some assumptions and that ultimately it was their responsibility to make sure this was buttoned down. This is a major transaction for Miami. A much smaller one for Dallas no matter which version.