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[Mavrelous]

Poor Hollinger, singled out by the league when everyone was making these comments

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[Scoot McGroot]

Yeah it is.

Cavs get Giannis, Thanasis, Bucks min
Bucks get Garland, Hunter, Sharpe, FRPs
Nets get Allen

This works

Which picks would Nets give to take Allen into their cap space? Probably not very premium picks. So Bucks trade Giannis for injury-riddled small PG (when they already have a good young PG in Rollins), some role player back-up types, and 1-2 low value picks? Seems highly unlikely.

You could trade Mobley instead of Garland if you needed. Point is the framework is possible for Cavs to get Giannis.

Why is Brooklyn paying to take on Allen, though? They would have to deal Claxton elsewhere first, no? Is Allen so much of an improvement over Claxton that the rebuilding Brooklyn should pay picks to do so? And if they're not sending picks, then the Giannis value is coming up short, etc.

And when you answer those questions, it then starts you all over again. You have to perfectly balance salaries between what Utah/Brooklyn/etc can take back with what Milwaukee is willing to eat this year. And clearing $22+m off the books while simultaneously acquiring Giannis is insanely difficult. Especially while actually sending players where they should go to pay proper values, where they're actually needed, etc.

[jbk1234]

I'm not being snarky here: Is there any reporting that the Cavs are actually in trade discussions with the Bucks? Given how far the Cavs are over the 2nd apron, and the limited cap space league wide, an in-season trade for Giannis seems incredibly unlikely to me.

[Texas Chuck]

I'm not being snarky here: Is there any reporting that the Cavs are actually in trade discussions with the Bucks? Given how far the Cavs are over the 2nd apron, and the limited cap space league wide, an in-season trade for Giannis seems incredibly unlikely to me.

I don't know about reports, but man are they a logical team from a basketball standpoint. Scoot is doing a great job laying the logistical challenges, but this has been a really good regular season that has consistently come up short in the playoffs. Add Giannis to Spida and you are pretty clear favorites to come out of the East.

[jbk1234]

I'm not being snarky here: Is there any reporting that the Cavs are actually in trade discussions with the Bucks? Given how far the Cavs are over the 2nd apron, and the limited cap space league wide, an in-season trade for Giannis seems incredibly unlikely to me.

I don't know about reports, but man are they a logical team from a basketball standpoint. Scoot is doing a great job laying the logistical challenges, but this has been a really good regular season that has consistently come up short in the playoffs. Add Giannis to Spida and you are pretty clear favorites to come out of the East.

The timing of it sub optimal to say the least. From the Cavs perspective, it's much better to wait for the summer. It’s a lot easier to reshape the roster. You can take his temperature on an extension. He's currently out with an injury, etc.

The teams that have waited, e.g. the Rockets, have done much better than teams that have gotten star struck and rushed in to pay a premium. If the Bucks insist on Mobley, my response would be let's circle back in June. If Giannis is traded elsewhere in the interim, I live with that result.

[Texas Chuck]

yeah, I wouldn't wait for him to go somewhere else. And I definitely wouldn't cost myself a full playoff run. Simply too valuable. Take him, have the run, re-shape the roster further in the off-season.

Still crazy to me that only me and a couple others here understand just how valuable singular seasons/playoff runs are from MVP players. Despite all the evidence telling us how essential they are to championship chances. So many posters are so cavalier (yeah intentional lol) about it.

[jbk1234]

yeah, I wouldn't wait for him to go somewhere else. And I definitely wouldn't cost myself a full playoff run. Simply too valuable. Take him, have the run, re-shape the roster further in the off-season.

Still crazy to me that only me and a couple others here understand just how valuable singular seasons/playoff runs are from MVP players. Despite all the evidence telling us how essential they are to championship chances. So many posters are so cavalier (yeah intentional lol) about it.

I suspect this is where the difference of opinion exists. Giannis has made it to the Finals, out of the East, once over his prior 12 seasons. It's not like the Bucks repeatedly get eliminated in the ECF either. They've been a first round out often. He's had really good teammates in Jrue, Middleton, and BroLo. This isn't peak LBJ carrying a tragic roster to the Finals in 04. Giannis is really, really good, but he's not a one-man wrecking ball.

[SkyHook]

Woke up with this idea, might be horrible.

Atlanta
Out: Porzingis, Johnson, 2026 FRP MIL/NOP, 2026 SRP BOS
In: Antetokounmpo x3

Milwaukee
Out: Antetokounmpo x3, Turner
In: Porzingis, Johnson, Reid, 2026 FRP MIL/NOP, 2026 FRP DEN, 2029 FRP MEM/ORL

Orlando
Out: Isaac, Carter, 2026 FRP DEN, 2029 FRP MEM/ORL
In: Turner

Minnesota
Out: Reid, Dillingham, Beringer
In: Carter, George, Filipowski

Utah
Out: George, Filipowski
In: Isaac, Dillingham, Beringer, 2026 SRP BOS

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Woke up with this idea, might be horrible.

Atlanta
Out: Porzingis, Johnson, 2026 FRP MIL/NOP, 2026 SRP BOS
In: Antetokounmpo x3

Milwaukee
Out: Antetokounmpo x3, Turner
In: Porzingis, Johnson, Reid, 2026 FRP MIL/NOP, 2026 FRP DEN, 2029 FRP MEM/ORL

Orlando
Out: Isaac, Carter, 2026 FRP DEN, 2029 FRP MEM/ORL
In: Turner

Minnesota
Out: Reid, Dillingham, Beringer
In: Carter, George, Filipowski

Utah
Out: George, Filipowski
In: Isaac, Dillingham, Beringer, 2026 SRP BOS

Hawks should add another first. Got turner returning two firsts. Bucks eating Naz contract for no reason

Utah and minny really could just make a deal among themselves. They really are not needed here

[kobe_vs_jordan]

yeah, I wouldn't wait for him to go somewhere else. And I definitely wouldn't cost myself a full playoff run. Simply too valuable. Take him, have the run, re-shape the roster further in the off-season.

Still crazy to me that only me and a couple others here understand just how valuable singular seasons/playoff runs are from MVP players. Despite all the evidence telling us how essential they are to championship chances. So many posters are so cavalier (yeah intentional lol) about it.

Fans not valuing a mvp season reason why my limited asset team has an 2 percent chance lol

In a hypothetical where it’s a kawhi to the raptors scenario. One championship and he gone no matter what. that’s still worth two unprotected picks in my book.

Amen, Mobley , Barnes , etc likely never lead a team to the finals.

[shrink]

Woke up with this idea, might be horrible.

Pretty cool that you dream in five team trades!

[ReggiesKnicks]

Woke up with this idea, might be horrible.

Atlanta
Out: Porzingis, Johnson, 2026 FRP MIL/NOP, 2026 SRP BOS
In: Antetokounmpo x3

Milwaukee
Out: Antetokounmpo x3, Turner
In: Porzingis, Johnson, Reid, 2026 FRP MIL/NOP, 2026 FRP DEN, 2029 FRP MEM/ORL

Orlando
Out: Isaac, Carter, 2026 FRP DEN, 2029 FRP MEM/ORL
In: Turner

Minnesota
Out: Reid, Dillingham, Beringer
In: Carter, George, Filipowski

Utah
Out: George, Filipowski
In: Isaac, Dillingham, Beringer, 2026 SRP BOS

Atlanta becomes a contender.

Great for Milwaukee, top-tier return as a budding superstar and a Top 3 pick in a loaded draft. Unrealistic to get both, but here they get both.

Orlando giving 2 1sts to go from Carter to Turner is a lot

Minnesota downgrades Reid to Carter and trades the best prospect (Beringer), I don't get that.

Utah gets too much value.

[mlloyd10]

Woke up with this idea, might be horrible.

Atlanta
Out: Porzingis, Johnson, 2026 FRP MIL/NOP, 2026 SRP BOS
In: Antetokounmpo x3

Milwaukee
Out: Antetokounmpo x3, Turner
In: Porzingis, Johnson, Reid, 2026 FRP MIL/NOP, 2026 FRP DEN, 2029 FRP MEM/ORL

Orlando
Out: Isaac, Carter, 2026 FRP DEN, 2029 FRP MEM/ORL
In: Turner

Minnesota
Out: Reid, Dillingham, Beringer
In: Carter, George, Filipowski

Utah
Out: George, Filipowski
In: Isaac, Dillingham, Beringer, 2026 SRP BOS

Hawks fans have mentioned numerous times they might not even trade Johnson for Giannis

[Devilanche]

yeah, I wouldn't wait for him to go somewhere else. And I definitely wouldn't cost myself a full playoff run. Simply too valuable. Take him, have the run, re-shape the roster further in the off-season.

Still crazy to me that only me and a couple others here understand just how valuable singular seasons/playoff runs are from MVP players. Despite all the evidence telling us how essential they are to championship chances. So many posters are so cavalier (yeah intentional lol) about it.

I suspect this is where the difference of opinion exists. Giannis has made it to the Finals, out of the East, once over his prior 12 seasons. It's not like the Bucks repeatedly get eliminated in the ECF either. They've been a first round out often. He's had really good teammates in Jrue, Middleton, and BroLo. This isn't peak LBJ carrying a tragic roster to the Finals in 04. Giannis is really, really good, but he's not a one-man wrecking ball.

I’m somewhere in the middle . Perennials MVPs are great and they are game changer for sure . But trading for them obviously would cost you a great deal of assets.

So while adding Giannis could elevate your outcome , every single team have to answer the following question:

1) do they have assets to enter the bidding war / semi bidding war?
2) after trading their core players for him, would the better team play actually elevate their chance to reach conference finals this year ?
3) would the team be able to gel quickly after mid season trade ? He’s not ball dominant to the extend that this might be hard but it’s still half a season to incorporate everyone and it’s such a big move afterall.

[zimpy27]

Which picks would Nets give to take Allen into their cap space? Probably not very premium picks. So Bucks trade Giannis for injury-riddled small PG (when they already have a good young PG in Rollins), some role player back-up types, and 1-2 low value picks? Seems highly unlikely.

You could trade Mobley instead of Garland if you needed. Point is the framework is possible for Cavs to get Giannis.

Why is Brooklyn paying to take on Allen, though? They would have to deal Claxton elsewhere first, no? Is Allen so much of an improvement over Claxton that the rebuilding Brooklyn should pay picks to do so? And if they're not sending picks, then the Giannis value is coming up short, etc.

And when you answer those questions, it then starts you all over again. You have to perfectly balance salaries between what Utah/Brooklyn/etc can take back with what Milwaukee is willing to eat this year. And clearing $22+m off the books while simultaneously acquiring Giannis is insanely difficult. Especially while actually sending players where they should go to pay proper values, where they're actually needed, etc.

Yeah I the Allen is much better than Claxton.

But I also have a strong suspicion that we see a Kuminga for Claxton swap when trade eligible.

[mademan]

Hard to imagine a situation where ATL parts with JJ for Giannis. JJ's play, age and contract status have to rank him pretty high in the league in terms of assets. 30 mill/year for 5 years for a top 15 player is insane

[mademan]

You could trade Mobley instead of Garland if you needed. Point is the framework is possible for Cavs to get Giannis.

Why is Brooklyn paying to take on Allen, though? They would have to deal Claxton elsewhere first, no? Is Allen so much of an improvement over Claxton that the rebuilding Brooklyn should pay picks to do so? And if they're not sending picks, then the Giannis value is coming up short, etc.

And when you answer those questions, it then starts you all over again. You have to perfectly balance salaries between what Utah/Brooklyn/etc can take back with what Milwaukee is willing to eat this year. And clearing $22+m off the books while simultaneously acquiring Giannis is insanely difficult. Especially while actually sending players where they should go to pay proper values, where they're actually needed, etc.

Yeah I the Allen is much better than Claxton.

But I also have a strong suspicion that we see a Kuminga for Claxton swap when trade eligible.

GSW would owe a 1st here

[jscott]

Woke up with this idea, might be horrible.

Atlanta
Out: Porzingis, Johnson, 2026 FRP MIL/NOP, 2026 SRP BOS
In: Antetokounmpo x3

Milwaukee
Out: Antetokounmpo x3, Turner
In: Porzingis, Johnson, Reid, 2026 FRP MIL/NOP, 2026 FRP DEN, 2029 FRP MEM/ORL

Orlando
Out: Isaac, Carter, 2026 FRP DEN, 2029 FRP MEM/ORL
In: Turner

Minnesota
Out: Reid, Dillingham, Beringer
In: Carter, George, Filipowski

Utah
Out: George, Filipowski
In: Isaac, Dillingham, Beringer, 2026 SRP BOS

Count the Wolves out of this.

[orlando_joe]

Woke up with this idea, might be horrible.

Atlanta
Out: Porzingis, Johnson, 2026 FRP MIL/NOP, 2026 SRP BOS
In: Antetokounmpo x3

Milwaukee
Out: Antetokounmpo x3, Turner
In: Porzingis, Johnson, Reid, 2026 FRP MIL/NOP, 2026 FRP DEN, 2029 FRP MEM/ORL

Orlando
Out: Isaac, Carter, 2026 FRP DEN, 2029 FRP MEM/ORL
In: Turner

Minnesota
Out: Reid, Dillingham, Beringer
In: Carter, George, Filipowski

Utah
Out: George, Filipowski
In: Isaac, Dillingham, Beringer, 2026 SRP BOS

Atlanta becomes a contender.

Great for Milwaukee, top-tier return as a budding superstar and a Top 3 pick in a loaded draft. Unrealistic to get both, but here they get both.

Orlando giving 2 1sts to go from Carter to Turner is a lot

Minnesota downgrades Reid to Carter and trades the best prospect (Beringer), I don't get that.

Utah gets too much value.

yea magic do not have the 2 picks listed to trade ? and would not give 2 first for him

[Devilanche]

Hard to imagine a situation where ATL parts with JJ for Giannis. JJ's play, age and contract status have to rank him pretty high in the league in terms of assets. 30 mill/year for 5 years for a top 15 player is insane

I wouldn’t put him top 15 yet . But he’s definitely getting there.