Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3

[Wolveswin]

Posted a version of this before, but this one is growing into my fav for Wolves. Yes, Raptors could want Simmons directly, but I don’t think so.

Raptors Trade:
Dragic + Boucher
FOR
Beverley (or Prince) + Maxey

76ers Trade:
Simmons + Maxey + Joe
FOR
Dragic + Boucher + Beasley + 2022 Wolves 1st (unprotected) + 2024 & 2026 Wolves 1st (limited protections) + 2023 & 2025 Wolves 1st Swaps

Wolves Trade:
Beasley + Beverley (or Prince) + Picks Package (see above)
FOR
Simmons + Joe

For 76ers, instant win-now talent.
Embiid
Harris
Boucher or Green
Beasley or Thybulle
Dragic | Curry

But, 76ers have Dragic 20M expiring + own and owed 1sts + Youth for a disgruntled star later (see Beal or Dame).

[the_process]

I disagree with this. I think Garland and draft capital would be a competitive offer.

Maybe you are right. Let`s ask Phil fans.

Guys, can you please?

I take it Love would be the salary filler?

So Love and Garland for Simmons. IMO two 1sts could get that done, one unprotected and the other lottery protected. CLE can pick the years. Sexton and Simmons would be a very good pair IMO.

[E S V L]

I disagree with this. I think Garland and draft capital would be a competitive offer.

Maybe you are right. Let`s ask Phil fans.

Guys, can you please?

I take it Love would be the salary filler?

So Love and Garland for Simmons. IMO two 1sts could get that done, one unprotected and the other lottery protected. CLE can pick the years. Sexton and Simmons would be a very good pair IMO.

Thanks.

DowJones, I was wrong then. Shame on me.

[the_process]

Maybe you are right. Let`s ask Phil fans.

Guys, can you please?

I take it Love would be the salary filler?

So Love and Garland for Simmons. IMO two 1sts could get that done, one unprotected and the other lottery protected. CLE can pick the years. Sexton and Simmons would be a very good pair IMO.

Thanks.

DowJones, I was wrong then. Shame on me.

Well, I might be higher on Garland than others. I also see Ben’s value just took a hit.

[longtallbrad]

Hmm, time to get creative given Simmons' public indication that he won't show up for training camp without being traded.

How about: Philly sends Simmons to Denver for Aaron Gordon and Monte Morris?

[the_process]

Hmm, time to get creative given Simmons' public indication that he won't show up for training camp without being traded.

How about: Philly sends Simmons to Denver for Aaron Gordon and Monte Morris?

Jamal Murray and yes. Otherwise no thanks.

[longtallbrad]

Hmm, time to get creative given Simmons' public indication that he won't show up for training camp without being traded.

How about: Philly sends Simmons to Denver for Aaron Gordon and Monte Morris?

Jamal Murray and yes. Otherwise no thanks.

Murray straight up?

[the_process]

Hmm, time to get creative given Simmons' public indication that he won't show up for training camp without being traded.

How about: Philly sends Simmons to Denver for Aaron Gordon and Monte Morris?

Jamal Murray and yes. Otherwise no thanks.

Murray straight up?

Well, he’s out all year, right? So it would be essentially wasting a season. No, it would require more.

I am personally fine with taking a step back to take two forward. So youth, draft picks, Embiid elective surgery… I’m good with all of that.

However the Sixers and Morey are clearly not or a deal would’ve been done.

[jpatrick]

I think people are focusing on getting win-now pieces in this deal, I don’t think that’s 100% their focus. They would like some win-now pieces but also assets to swap for a star when one becomes available.

If Rosas offered something like Beverley, Beasley, 3 unprotected FRPs, 3 unprotected swaps, Morey would almost have to accept. Bev/Beasley is enough to keep Philly afloat while Morey uses that draft currency to bolster the roster later in the season.

That said, I would not offer that as a Wolves fan.

[SixersSince82]

In order I think it's Sacramento, Minnesota, Portland.
It will be whichever team has a poor start to the season, relents and puts its big chip on the table first.
I dont expect Ben to be traded until early December.

[kalenclayton]

I think people are focusing on getting win-now pieces in this deal, I don’t think that’s 100% their focus. They would like some win-now pieces but also assets to swap for a star when one becomes available.

If Rosas offered something like Beverley, Beasley, 3 unprotected FRPs, 3 unprotected swaps, Morey would almost have to accept. Bev/Beasley is enough to keep Philly afloat while Morey uses that draft currency to bolster the roster later in the season.

That said, I would not offer that as a Wolves fan.

I would think the Wolves would have to seriously consider that move. They have already committed quite a bit toward KAT, but they have yet to go all in on the guy. I understand the reluctance, but if you are going to commit, then commit. This does that. A lineup of Simmons-DLo-Ant-McDaniels-KAT is incredibly interesting and everyone is within the age range of each other to grow. A follow up trade to shore up the last starting spot would be something I would be considering, but it’s not necessary for year one. McDaniels could blossom with these guys. I see this team as a 6 seed right away and there is a really high ceiling there.

The issue is with the 76ers. I think the value is probably fine for them (although I think Simmons returns a little less). It’s the return that makes it uninspiring. Could we see that package get moved to another team for a fitting player?

[illuminati666]

Indiana can make a solid win-now offer. Plus it seems they're desperate to turn Brogdan into a younger player, and Brogdan would work beautifully with Embiid so they're my favourites. Plus they can send like Myles Turner to Dallas and get additional pieces like Kleber and Burke coming back to Philly.

Brodgon is almost 29 years old and hasn't shown he can't stay on the court since assuming more than 20 minutes a game. Why would sixers want injury prone player who's not even available for 3 of the last 4 playoffs he was involved in.

Obviously as a Mavs fan I'd want this to happen, would even include Brunson instead of Burke if needed. But yeah, think it may just be a bit too light for Philly

Ya ofc more pieces and picks would be included. I had a first from Dallas, and Lamb, Duarte and a first from Indiana also being included. Best offer you're going to get now that Sac said they won't trade Fox or Hali, Warriors don't want Ben, Minny still doesn't have the pieces to make it work. Maybe Toronto offers FVV/Siakam for Simmons and Maxey but I doubt it.

And idk about the Brogdon injury concerns, it hasn't seemed like this guy is that injury prone. He was relatively healthy last season, and had great numbers. He's a very good guard offensively and defensively, Philly fans shouldn't be sticking their nose up at him, he'd be a huge help.

[Village Idiot]

The feces has finally hit the fan. Where do you see Ben Simmons playing during the 2021-22 season?

Are you satisfied with the number of responses you have gotten to your poll yet? I want to go ahead and merge this with the Simmons containment thread since we are having some duplicate conversations at this point but if I do that your poll will be lost and I don't want to do that if you haven't gotten a chance to really review the results.

So if you could just let me know when you get a chance please?

thanks!

Appreciate you asking. The distibution has been pretty interesting but not big suprises except for Indiana being focussed on as an option. That isn't a team that's gotten much mention in the consolidation thread. I wouldn't expect the number of new responses to much now that 24 hours or so have passed. Feel free to do with this what you will

[MessiahUjiri]

Alrite so here's the deal. Simmons aint getting All Star offers, but here's a fall back package which might work (I think):

Sixers need playmakers, shooting, and will need a PF who can play alongside Embiid. Win now mode.
Raps are looking to shoot for the future, with a young positionless roster

The trade:

Ben Simmons and Seth Curry
for
Fred Van Vleet, Goran Dragic, Chris Boucher, Raptors 2022 pick (top 10 protected)

FVV and Dragic can both play the 1 and 2, and Boucher plays the 3+D role at PF.
Simmons becomes the defacto PG on the Raps (or they can just throw out a tall ball lineup).

Thoughts? Would you tweak it?

[BoogieTime]

I don’t get why Philly adds to Simmons to get Fox with out getting more back. Even with all this bad drama around Simmons his value is still equal or greater to Fox.

Maybe they get Hield? I agree it’s not great value but it just seems like that’s where we are

That’s like adding insult to injury.

Hield would actually be good in Philly

His two rough years in Sacramento have come from Loser Walton insisting he create his own shot

Although with Maxey, not seeing the need for a SG

[kuclas]

Hmm, time to get creative given Simmons' public indication that he won't show up for training camp without being traded.

How about: Philly sends Simmons to Denver for Aaron Gordon and Monte Morris?

How exactly does that help Philly? Gordon doesn't shoot from outside and not exactly a primary ball handler and Tobias Harris is better than Gordon at just about the same position. Morris is meh. More of a backup guard and only reason he got minutes cause of injuries to Denver's starting point guards.

[kuclas]

Maybe they get Hield? I agree it’s not great value but it just seems like that’s where we are

That’s like adding insult to injury.

Hield would actually be good in Philly

His two rough years in Sacramento have come from Loser Walton insisting he create his own shot

Although with Maxey, not seeing the need for a SG

Hield and Curry cannot be on the same floor at the same time. That's a big problem. Curry is 8 million a year. Hield is 20 million a year.

People don't get it. Sixers still need a primary ball handler once Simmons is gone. Sure they can possibly live without his elite defense. But you just can't slot a hield in to replace Simmons.

It's a junk offer.

Teams are just seeing how low they can go. Simmons can sit on the bench and Sixers will at worst be a 5 seed, at best a 3 seed. 2nd round exit again with or without Simmons.

[loserX]

Teams are just seeing how low they can go. Simmons can sit on the bench and Sixers will at worst be a 5 seed, at best a 3 seed. 2nd round exit again with or without Simmons.

You need to work on your sales pitch Should have gone with "a legendary talent who makes anyone an instant contender!"

[BoogieTime]

That’s like adding insult to injury.

Hield would actually be good in Philly

His two rough years in Sacramento have come from Loser Walton insisting he create his own shot

Although with Maxey, not seeing the need for a SG

Hield and Curry cannot be on the same floor at the same time. That's a big problem. Curry is 8 million a year. Hield is 20 million a year.

People don't get it. Sixers still need a primary ball handler once Simmons is gone. Sure they can possibly live without his elite defense. But you just can't slot a hield in to replace Simmons.

It's a junk offer.

Teams are just seeing how low they can go. Simmons can sit on the bench and Sixers will at worst be a 5 seed, at best a 3 seed. 2nd round exit again with or without Simmons.

Hield is far more dynamic than Curry. As is Klay Thompson. There is a difference between some random role playing shooter and a scorer who shoots.

But yeah, I know Hield won't be a primary driver of a Simmons trade.

[Sportfan73]

That’s like adding insult to injury.

Hield would actually be good in Philly

His two rough years in Sacramento have come from Loser Walton insisting he create his own shot

Although with Maxey, not seeing the need for a SG

Hield and Curry cannot be on the same floor at the same time. That's a big problem. Curry is 8 million a year. Hield is 20 million a year.

People don't get it. Sixers still need a primary ball handler once Simmons is gone. Sure they can possibly live without his elite defense. But you just can't slot a hield in to replace Simmons.

It's a junk offer.

Teams are just seeing how low they can go. Simmons can sit on the bench and Sixers will at worst be a 5 seed, at best a 3 seed. 2nd round exit again with or without Simmons.

I wouldn’t say fox/Hield for Simmons/maxey is junk