Ben Simmons Containment Thread Take 3

[Sportfan73]

I think Philly is going to be choosing between two packages that aren't great, but the players fit well enough.

1. Portland:
CJ McCollum + Robert Covington
Portland really does not have picks they can trade. Philly would need to include some salary to balance.

2. Minnesota:
Malik Beasley + Taurean Prince + Jaden McDaniels + 2022 MIN 1st

His value has tanked, Philly has no leverage, and Simmons fits great on a few rosters, but on others he just doesn't.

If this is the case… I could see the situation getting a whole lot uglier before any resolution is reached.

Yeah I’d rather pay on top of Simmons and get a guy like fox than do this

[babyjax13]

I think Philly is going to be choosing between two packages that aren't great, but the players fit well enough.

1. Portland:
CJ McCollum + Robert Covington
Portland really does not have picks they can trade. Philly would need to include some salary to balance.

2. Minnesota:
Malik Beasley + Taurean Prince + Jaden McDaniels + 2022 MIN 1st

His value has tanked, Philly has no leverage, and Simmons fits great on a few rosters, but on others he just doesn't.

If this is the case… I could see the situation getting a whole lot uglier before any resolution is reached.

Yeah I’d rather pay on top of Simmons and get a guy like fox than do this

Again, if Philly could easily package Simmons for a better player, I think they'd have done it. I'll stop here, I just think the expectations for his return have been pretty far off.

[Saberestar]

I agree. Sacramento makes sense but straight up for Fox. Win win for both sides.

Fox is on another tier as a player and not disgruntled. No way Fox is traded for Simmons.

Hasn't Buddy been "disgruntled" for a few years now?

Not the way Simmons is now.

[the_process]

If this is the case… I could see the situation getting a whole lot uglier before any resolution is reached.

Yeah I’d rather pay on top of Simmons and get a guy like fox than do this

Again, if Philly could easily package Simmons for a better player, I think they'd have done it. I'll stop here, I just think the expectations for his return have been pretty far off.

I think the issue has been that Morey has tunnel vision on Lillard.

I also don’t think they’re getting any kind of better player, but they can’t accept JAGs back without heavy draft compensation. The Minnesota deal you mentioned is actually a decent framework, assuming Beasley can be flipped for a PG and the Wolves are adding more draft compensation.

[Dat2U]

Collin Sexton
Malik Beasley
Buddy Hield
Malcolm Brogdon

These are the types of guys Philly is likely being offered. If De'Aaron Fox, Tyrese Haliburton, Anthony Edwards or even the Golden State package were available ... a trade would have already been made.

[kuclas]

I think LeVert is an interesting option since he can play SG/SF, adds playmaking and is working on defense (not great right now).
Curry, Green, LeVert, Harris, Embiid -- Maxey, Thybulle, Korkmaz, Reed, Drummond

I think Indy would have to give a bit more but it could be a starting piece.

Levert plus brogdon probably makes it’s happen. Both injury prone. At least one of them made be available for playoff run

But Simmons is a horrible fit with Sabonis.

Teams are willing to obtain Simmons if they don’t have to really give up any real assets they do without. That’s why the original brogdon plus pick was shot down.

It doesn’t hurt Indiana to give up brogdon since they are replacing his pg skill with Simmons pg skill.

[Resistance]

I agree. Sacramento makes sense but straight up for Fox. Win win for both sides.

Fox is on another tier as a player and not disgruntled. No way Fox is traded for Simmons.

Hasn't Buddy been "disgruntled" for a few years now?

As long as Hield is starting and gets to put up shots, I think he will be as happy as he is going to be.

As long as Simmons is starting and people aren't expecting him to put up too many shots, I think he will be as happy as he is going to be.

The problems arise when they try to throttle Hield back and try to push on the accelerator with Simmons.

[Sportfan73]

If this is the case… I could see the situation getting a whole lot uglier before any resolution is reached.

Yeah I’d rather pay on top of Simmons and get a guy like fox than do this

Again, if Philly could easily package Simmons for a better player, I think they'd have done it. I'll stop here, I just think the expectations for his return have been pretty far off.

I literally said PAY ON TOP OF

[babyjax13]

Yeah I’d rather pay on top of Simmons and get a guy like fox than do this

Again, if Philly could easily package Simmons for a better player, I think they'd have done it. I'll stop here, I just think the expectations for his return have been pretty far off.

I literally said PAY ON TOP OF

I know. I am saying that teams with better players don't care for what Philly is willing to add to Simmons, they'd rather keep their guys.

[GTR11]

This is fun . Keep it coming.

Please Morey keep him for as long as you can man

[Wolveswin]

Of the teams in the Simmons sweepstakes, Minnesota probably does win the - we offer the best return for a 2022 first round pick - debate. That being said I think it's highly unlikely Minnesota offers anything more than a 2022 unprotected first and maybe a 2023 swap.

Rosas is not exactly on firm ground with two rough seasons and new owners. There's a decent chance he's fired next summer if next year goes south. That being said, I highly doubt Taylor, Marc and Arod will let him trade first round picks out into the future. If he's fired, it will be tough to land a new POBO with no first round picks, no cap space and stars who can't seem to make the playoffs. No one of note will take the job.

I could easily see Rosas offering multiple first round picks and Taylor vetoing the trade.

I see truth in that argument. But Rosas side of the pitch is we don’t “need” late to real late 1st round picks…we have 4 pillars, 3 with big contracts and Edwards will need to get paid soon enough. 2nd round draft picks will be their friends (in this scenario).

This is the exact reason why I don't see Minny making this happen. Why would Philly trade Simmons for a bunch of picks in the mid to late 20s? They wouldn't. The Kings are the best fit, also Portland depending on how that situation goes.

Portland is only option if McCollum — Dame isn’t on the table. And as mentioned above, Wolves deal is better.

Rosas sales pitch to Morey is the exact opposite as to his own organization. And probably more accurate in reality.

I detailed exactly why in another thread.

Err this thread:

The Wolves package is better than most give it credit.

The Picks: even with Simmons, in the West, Wolves aren’t even a top 5 team. The picks should be at worst 15-18, with a chance the new look Wolves don’t jive and 76ers get a lotto 1st (maybe multiple). Maybe the Kings and Spurs offer the same quality firsts, but Wolves do for sure.

The Swaps: any swaps offered in the deal should convey. Philly could get a 4-15 slot improvement — even without Simmons (more so if Dame or Beal acquired later).

[zimpy27]

I think LeVert is an interesting option since he can play SG/SF, adds playmaking and is working on defense (not great right now).
Curry, Green, LeVert, Harris, Embiid -- Maxey, Thybulle, Korkmaz, Reed, Drummond

I think Indy would have to give a bit more but it could be a starting piece.

Levert plus brogdon probably makes it’s happen. Both injury prone. At least one of them made be available for playoff run

But Simmons is a horrible fit with Sabonis.

Teams are willing to obtain Simmons if they don’t have to really give up any real assets they do without. That’s why the original brogdon plus pick was shot down.

It doesn’t hurt Indiana to give up brogdon since they are replacing his pg skill with Simmons pg skill.

I was thinking something more like LeVert and Sabonis to be traded. Turner, Simmons, Brogdon would be what Pacers want to have fit-wise.

Sabonis would need a thrid team and Indy would need a little more value back.

[Texas Chuck]

This is fun . Keep it coming.

Please Morey keep him for as long as you can man

No content posts designed just to bait/troll other fanbases have no place on this board. Please only post in the future when you have something of substance to contribute to a thread.

[BullyKing]

I see truth in that argument. But Rosas side of the pitch is we don’t “need” late to real late 1st round picks…we have 4 pillars, 3 with big contracts and Edwards will need to get paid soon enough. 2nd round draft picks will be their friends (in this scenario).

This is the exact reason why I don't see Minny making this happen. Why would Philly trade Simmons for a bunch of picks in the mid to late 20s? They wouldn't. The Kings are the best fit, also Portland depending on how that situation goes.

Portland is only option if McCollum — Dame isn’t on the table. And as mentioned above, Wolves deal is better.

Rosas sales pitch to Morey is the exact opposite as to his own organization. And probably more accurate in reality.

I detailed exactly why in another thread.

Err this thread:

The Wolves package is better than most give it credit.

The Picks: even with Simmons, in the West, Wolves aren’t even a top 5 team. The picks should be at worst 15-18, with a chance the new look Wolves don’t jive and 76ers get a lotto 1st (maybe multiple). Maybe the Kings and Spurs offer the same quality firsts, but Wolves do for sure.

The Swaps: any swaps offered in the deal should convey. Philly could get a 4-15 slot improvement — even without Simmons (more so if Dame or Beal acquired later).

I am so tired of this disingenuous argument that you have been making for weeks. If Rosas really thought adding Simmons still left the Wolves as nothing more than a middling team, he wouldn't be trading all of his future picks for him. Neither would you. So feel free to keep repeating it and hopefully you're just doing it to try and convince yourself because its not convincing anyone else.

[BullyKing]

Like could you imagine Rosas walking into the owner's office and saying, hey I really want to tie up all of our future draft picks to land Ben Simmons because I think if everything falls right we could be the No. 5 seed in the West!

[HartfordWhalers]

I cannot follow this thread and have tried not to so I'm at fault there; but wouldn't a top 5 seed be a big step up from out of the playoffs for some teams? And still mean picks outgoing in the 20+ area only?

[BlazersBroncos]

PDX TRADES - CJ McCollum, CJ Elleby, 2024 FRP, 2026 FRP
PDX RECEIVES - Ben Simmons

PHI TRADES - Ben Simmons, Tyrese Maxey
PHI RECEIVES - CJ McCollum, Dejounte Murray

SAS TRADES - Dejounte Murray
SAS RECEIVES - Tyrese Maxey, CJ Elleby, 2024 FRP, 2026 FRP

PDX also sends 1.7M to SAS to cover the Elleby cut.

PHI ROTATION
G - Dejounte Murray / Seth Curry / Jaden Springer
G - CJ McCollum / Shake Milton / Furkan Korkmaz
F - Danny Green / Mattisse Thybulle / Furkan Korkmaz
F - Tobias Harris / Georges Niang / Paul Reed
C - Joel Embiid / Andre Drummond / Charles Bassey

[zimpy27]

What team might want Sabonis? That could be an interesting way for Indy to get Simmons

[Mykhyn]

Spurs out: Dejounte Murray + Derrick White + thad + Aminu+ Lonnie Walker + Hutchinson + Bulls 2025 1st + Spurs 2022 1st + Spurs 2023 pick swap+ spurs 2024 1st + Spurs 2025 pick swap
Spurs in: Ben Simmons + Porzingis + thybulle

Blazers out: Dame + Covington
Blazers in: Dejounte + Lonnie Walker + Dwight Powell + Hutchinson + Bulls 2025 1st + Spurs 2022 1st + Spurs 2023 pick swap+ spurs 2024 1st + Spurs 2025 pick swap + 76ers 2023 1st + Hornets 2023 2nd + Mavs 2025 1st + Mavs 2027 1st

76ers out: Ben Simmons + Thybulle + 76ers 2023 1st + Hornets 2023 2nd
76ers in: Dame

Mavs out: Porzingis + Powell + Mavs 2025 1st + Mavs 2027 1st
Mavs in: Derrick White + Thad Young + Covington + Aminu(TPE)


Spurs-
Ben Simmons/Tre/Forbes
Thybulle/Vassell/Primo
Keldon/Thybulle/Vassell/Simmons
McD/Samanic/Colllins
Porzingis/Poeltl/Eubanks

Spurs give Pop some hope in his final years. Amazing D and spacing for Simmons. Porzingis fits like a glove and we can retain insurance for him in Poeltl. Contracts line up perfectly barring Samanic becoming a max player in the next year. Which is a problem I'd love to have.

Blazers get 6 1sts and a couple swaps plus 2 pretty good prospects while cutting 17mil~ off their payroll. They get stop gaps to remain watchable while having a ton of picks to trade for a star or 2 if one becomes available

76ers get their man

Mavs get all around more competitive. I'd be really excited to see their rotation. Great spacing and defense all around Luka with a pretty exciting mix of bigmen.

White/Brunson/Burke
Luka/THJR
DFS/Bullock/Brown
Covington/Thad/Aminu
Kleber/Boban/WCS



Who says no?

[Chinook]

If the Spurs can keep most of that stuff and just get Simmons, that makes way more sense. I certainly think Dallas shouldn't be involved in this deal. As is, I wouldn't do this deal at all from the Spurs' side.