Thoughts in General, Rumors, etc 3.0

Post #1141 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:24 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:MDA leaving while still wanting to be a head coach again at some point

This is noteworthy.

K_chile22 · Post #1142 » by **K_chile22** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:49 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:Nets news items:

Brown getting QO as expected
MDA leaving while still wanting to be a head coach again at some point

I don't understand how he can't get a job honestly. He has his deficiencies but so does every coach. He's better than 50% of coaches out there, at least.

Ell Curry · Post #1143 » by **Ell Curry** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:21 pm

I feel like MDA would make some sense in Sacramento. Talented guards he could set free, pick and roll bigs.

BuzzCity · Post #1144 » by **BuzzCity** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:25 pm

I’m a little surprised with the lack of rumor mill right now…outside of Simmons, Hayes and MDA, we haven’t gotten much today.

Post #1145 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:29 pm

K_chile22 wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:Nets news items:

Brown getting QO as expected
MDA leaving while still wanting to be a head coach again at some point
I don't understand how he can't get a job honestly. He has his deficiencies but so does every coach. He's better than 50% of coaches out there, at least.

I think age, timing, and the fact he played last offseason’s cycle wrong are what hurts him. Even though most coaches don’t keep a position more than 6 years, realistically (if that), teams always want to envision their coach being there for 20 years, and MDA just realistically won’t.

As for timing? Well, this year he wasn’t able to be hired as his team made a deep run into the playoffs, and maybe held him back a little bit, as well as the fact that this cycle was essentially all first time coaches, except for the Pacers hiring Carlisle.

And as for the playing last offseason cycle wrong? I really have little doubt he could have had the Pacers position, if he was willing to commit quickly. The rumors were HEAVY. But, I think he and his agent felt they could keep the Pacers in their back pocket and circle back to take the job at any time, while he courted a position he maybe viewed as “better” (for one of any reasons). After Indy interviewed a bunch of people, I think they were willing to take a first timer, and moved that way (and cheaper).

Post #1146 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:29 pm

BuzzCity wrote:I’m a little surprised with the lack of rumor mill right now…outside of Simmons, Hayes and MDA, we haven’t gotten much today.

Everybody’s sleeping in to build up stamina for tomorrow. :dontknow:

OutsidetheNBA · Post #1147 » by **OutsidetheNBA** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:39 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:Nets news items:

Brown getting QO as expected
MDA leaving while still wanting to be a head coach again at some point
I don't understand how he can't get a job honestly. He has his deficiencies but so does every coach. He's better than 50% of coaches out there, at least.

I think age, timing, and the fact he played last offseason’s cycle wrong are what hurts him. Even though most coaches don’t keep a position more than 6 years, realistically (if that), teams always want to envision their coach being there for 20 years, and MDA just realistically won’t.

As for timing? Well, this year he wasn’t able to be hired as his team made a deep run into the playoffs, and maybe held him back a little bit, as well as the fact that this cycle was essentially all first time coaches, except for the Pacers hiring Carlisle.

And as for the playing last offseason cycle wrong? I really have little doubt he could have had the Pacers position, if he was willing to commit quickly. The rumors were HEAVY. But, I think he and his agent felt they could keep the Pacers in their back pocket and circle back to take the job at any time, while he courted a position he maybe viewed as “better” (for one of any reasons). After Indy interviewed a bunch of people, I think they were willing to take a first timer, and moved that way (and cheaper).

Teams also might put a ceiling on him - a good regular season coach who has a clear "system" that requires major roster re-shaping. But his system always seems to come up short in the playoffs and even aside from that he has trouble making adjustments.

As noted, he's better than 50% of coaches, but just like in the draft, I think a lot of teams would prefer a "high upside" guy rather than a high-floor, low-ceiling guy.

That said, I wish he would have gone to NO. He could turn Zion into a modern Amar'e++ -- they might not win a championship in the next 4 years, but they'd make the playoffs and Zion would get tons of accolades, which would at least keep him happy and re-signed. I'd take that over a rookie coach.

NYG · Post #1148 » by **NYG** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:52 pm

It's starting to feel like Toronto won't be drafting at 4

NYG · Post #1149 » by **NYG** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:10 pm

From what is being reported, I feel like the final Simmons deal will be a four-team trade involving Golden State, Philly, Toronto and Washington if it happens pre-draft.

Beal to Warriors
Simmons to Toronto
4 to Washington
The base of a future Lillard deal to Philly via the other 3 teams

With assets being spread across the deal equaling the value for all the teams.

babyjax13 · Post #1150 » by **babyjax13** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:16 pm

The reported demands for Simmons are absurd, I don't know what Morey is thinking.

Post #1151 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:19 pm

babyjax13 wrote:The reported demands for Simmons are absurd, I don't know what Morey is thinking.

Well he's not dumb, so perhaps he's trying to build the market by just pretending that's what Simmons' value is?

Post #1152 » by **Texas Chuck** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:21 pm

babyjax13 wrote:The reported demands for Simmons are absurd, I don't know what Morey is thinking.

I don't know the sourcing on that, but I don't believe those are real. Seems like someone with an ax to grind against him trying to make him look ridiculous.

OutsidetheNBA · Post #1153 » by **OutsidetheNBA** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:22 pm

babyjax13 wrote:The reported demands for Simmons are absurd, I don't know what Morey is thinking.

Morey is good at this and there's no real pressure on him. He can wait awhile and see if Beal or Dame ask for a trade.

If not, he only needs to find 1 sucker in another front office.

Even if he doesn't find his sucker, worst case Philly begins the season with Simmons, and Simmons is a great regular season player. In the meantime he can add Lowry on a reasonable contract without giving up Simmons or any other core pieces.

Dn4sty · Post #1154 » by **Dn4sty** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:29 pm

Read on Twitter

?s=21

The SGA trade rumors have reached an absurd level. And Jake Fisher seems to just be throwing stuff against the wall hoping it will stick at this point

Post #1155 » by **Texas Chuck** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:32 pm

Dn4sty wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=21

The SGA trade rumors have reached an absurd level. And Jake Fisher seems to just be throwing stuff against the wall hoping it will stick at this point

One of the big aggregators is running with what was clearly a sarcastic tweet that said the Lakers turned down SGA and 6 for Kuzma so Fisher isn't even the worst offender. :lol:

Dn4sty · Post #1156 » by **Dn4sty** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:33 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
Dn4sty wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=21

The SGA trade rumors have reached an absurd level. And Jake Fisher seems to just be throwing stuff against the wall hoping it will stick at this point

One of the big aggregators is running with what was clearly a sarcastic tweet that said the Lakers turned down SGA and 6 for Kuzma so Fisher isn't even the worst offender.

Is it bad that I want to see this train wreck?

Dn4sty · Post #1157 » by **Dn4sty** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:34 pm

Dn4sty wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
Dn4sty wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=21

The SGA trade rumors have reached an absurd level. And Jake Fisher seems to just be throwing stuff against the wall hoping it will stick at this point

One of the big aggregators is running with what was clearly a sarcastic tweet that said the Lakers turned down SGA and 6 for Kuzma so Fisher isn't even the worst offender.

Is it bad that I want to see this train wreck?

Nevermind I found it

Kevin6CD · Post #1158 » by **Kevin6CD** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:03 pm

Troubadour wrote:What are the Pistons doing with Sekou? Feels like he's been lost in the shuffle a little bit.

As another poster mentioned, he doesn't have a ton of value around the league, so a trade is probably not the preferred route. That being said, I think we'll have an idea of the team's feelings coming out of free agency. If they go out and sign a forward who you instantly expect to take minutes at SF/PF, start the countdown on Sekou's time with the Pistons. If they don't sign a forward, or add a guy who isn't a lock to be in the rotation, probably safe to assume Sekou has the inside track to be the main backup at both forward spots this season.

Post #1159 » by **bondom34** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:12 pm

Dn4sty wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=21

The SGA trade rumors have reached an absurd level. And Jake Fisher seems to just be throwing stuff against the wall hoping it will stick at this point

Let's be honest is SGA even positive value at this point?

Revenged25 · Post #1160 » by **Revenged25** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:15 pm

bondom34 wrote:
Dn4sty wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=21

The SGA trade rumors have reached an absurd level. And Jake Fisher seems to just be throwing stuff against the wall hoping it will stick at this point

Let's be honest is SGA even positive value at this point?

Of course not, he's about to ask for a max.